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Write it on what? It's a brand new board set. No machine has ever used it, ever used an LCD screen, has ever used this many RGB LEDs. They needed to wait until the table was functional to test software as they go. Pointless putting 6 months into code to find it doesn't work on day 1 you test it

They must know the specs of the hardware, they should have had a clear understanding of what the logic would be. They could have developed the lot in parallel, then tested at the end. I'd be very surprised if there are not applications which could be used to simulate it anyway.
 
Pretty sure Keith Johnson knows more about pinball software than you. I'm sure he wasn't just twiddling his thumbs for 2 years
 
Have you bought one? You seem quite upset that the software isn't on schedule with your timetable?
 
Hmmmm. So Stern release a game without what people consider 100% completed code and follow it up with updates...and that is considered not fully working .....but yet JJ releases a game without 100% completed finished code, to be followed up with updates ...and thats considered fully working !?! Yeah whatever ......:rolleyez: Pretty dumb to try and spin that one.

This kind of petty sniping at each other does neither JJ or GS any favours.

I don't think Gary Stern has bashed JJ at all publically, I may be wrong. I have no idea why Jack seems to think it's cool, surely allowing the product to speak for itself is the best way to settle an argument. I was interested in Hobbit but I really am not in favour of the way Jack talks about his "game" or other people (to say he flat out lies is wrong but he is very economical with truths) or his business model.
 
Tbf Jack has taken the high road on a lot of things. Many many vendors were told they would be blacklisted by Stern if they worked with JJP.
 
It sounds like we will be blacklisted by you if we say anything bad about this game.
I'm keeping out of it.

I quite like the game by the way. But I think "The Hobbit" is more of the game for me.
 
They must know the specs of the hardware, they should have had a clear understanding of what the logic would be. They could have developed the lot in parallel, then tested at the end. I'd be very surprised if there are not applications which could be used to simulate it anyway.

Yeah, exactly. From what I've seen of the innards it looks like a mini-atx pc inside, most likely running linux. It would not be a problem to simulate the inputs from the targets/rollovers etc and program lights and the game before the boards were made. This is common practice with software development.

I doubt the guy has been 'twiddling his thumbs' for two years but the coding could definitely have started earlier and been ready for the scheduled release date.
 
Yeah, exactly. From what I've seen of the innards it looks like a mini-atx pc inside, most likely running linux. It would not be a problem to simulate the inputs from the targets/rollovers etc and program lights and the game before the boards were made. This is common practice with software development.

I doubt the guy has been 'twiddling his thumbs' for two years but the coding could definitely have started earlier and been ready for the scheduled release date.

In the words of Raul Julia (Addams Family) Careful.
 
Any news on the March shipping date yet? Looking forward to playing the prototype at the LPC.

Am I right in thinking that Jack's got a chain of arcades, so will the first models go there or do the limited punters get theirs first? (can see arguments for both, if the main bulk of sales go to himself and start earning revenue the whole project is more financially secure)

Wondering what the logistics will be. If they aim to produce 50 a week then I guess it's a 6 month wait for people at the end of the list. Is 50 too high? Is 25 more likely so it'll be a year wait (which would then tie in with the aimed Hobbit released date, no point in having machines and staff standing idle before production could start on #2). No idea of how many production staff they would employ or when they would take these on.

Any clues how this will reflect on the Hobbit waiting list. If someone ordered Woz would they get their same place in the queue for the Hobbit or is it in the same order as people paid the deposits on the new machines? I'd be ****d off if I paid a month earlier than a WOZ customer but they got theirs 12 months before me.

Not trolling and trying to get a rise out of Jon. More motivated by self-interest as I've stumped up cash on a Hobbit based on little more than a theme, small sample of photoshopped artwork and positive feedback from people who have played the WOZ prototype. In terms of information sent to punters, just an email from Phil asking for a grand a month ago and nothing after that. (Not knocking Phil here but would have expected JJP to have issued numbers etc to people who have laid down cash as after all they were the ones who set the payment dates. I gather WOZ people got access to a forum etc but this doesn't seem to have happened 2nd time round).

Think it might be a long ride. Maybe I've been spoiled by the info Skit-B give out in comparison.
 
Keith has until March 13th to have a functional version of the software

The final boards are expected from China this week or next.

Games WILL start shipping this month but I expect its slowly at first.

Jack expects to produce 15 games a day once production is in full flow.

Shipping is complicated as it has to balance who ordered first with being able to group machines together to ship to locations in bulk. This is further confused by the fact some buyers still owe their final instalment! Phil ordered his pins relatively early so I'm hopeful we should be in the first half of shipping if not earlier

The hobbit is in the early stages apparently so Keith still has a number of months to continue working on WOZ post release. Hobbit will ship on a first come first served basis. Woz ordering has no impact on this

The LE topper is not the one we have all seen apparently

Wi Fi is included to download software updates but this will be expanded by Keith to include other functions as he finishes off the software



That's about all we have been told on the WOZ group so far
 
Cheers Jon,

So 3 days to finish the software - not a lot of time to spare there!:eeek:

15 machines a day sounds like a lot of machines. So it should take about 3 months to sort the backorders out when things get going. Guess they must be taking temp staff on to do the assembly and then letting most of them go until machine #2 goes into production. Wonder if Stern do something similar, or if there's enough production to keep staff on all year round?


Cheers
 
Not that I'm looking to spend that much on a pin (...yet :fear: ) but out of interest how was the import and shipping of these working out? Are bulk lots of these getting shipped to a UK distributor or did individuals have to arrange import and will have to pay duty, vat on top when they do finally arrive on these shores?
 
I looked into it and it was going to be roughly £5800 ish to organise it all myself. £500 ish more for Phil to sort it all and give a years warranty. I went with Phil to save myself the hassle
 
Keith has until March 13th to have a functional version of the software

Any news? Did he meet his target? I'm presuming the lack of posts here would imply either a) he didn't, b) people don't know and Jack hasn't said anything to the buyers on their group, or c) the flying monkeys have kidnapped Keith and are holding him in the Witch's castle until the code is complete...
 
Any news? Did he meet his target? I'm presuming the lack of posts here would imply either a) he didn't, b) people don't know and Jack hasn't said anything to the buyers on their group, or c) the flying monkeys have kidnapped Keith and are holding him in the Witch's castle until the code is complete...

Sadly, he's been shot and his head put on a spike
 
Games start shipping after the weekend apparently?! They have packing materials waiting for 500 machines and advertised for production line staff a couple of weeks ago.
 
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