I just updated one of mine. i thought they auto expired? but mine didn’t. i suspect there are a few others no longer up for sale.
As old Bob sang …The times they are a changin .Just noticed that another full page of for-sale ads are now open versus a month or two ago, so I thought I'd tot up the combined asking prices. £260,639, not including the few that are adverts by retailers!!
Il take them all, cheque acceptable after deliveryJust noticed that another full page of for-sale ads are now open versus a month or two ago, so I thought I'd tot up the combined asking prices. £260,639, not including the few that are adverts by retailers!!
Listed prices are still high compared to pre-covid, but is the other reason that people are now out of space? I've got the funds but no space. There are some great Pins for sale at the moment but even if they were 20% cheaper I still haven't got space for them.Just noticed that another full page of for-sale ads are now open versus a month or two ago, so I thought I'd tot up the combined asking prices. £260,639, not including the few that are adverts by retailers!!
I'd guess that there are a lot of factors involved here, with space one of them for some people. I doubt it's a significant factor though - it's too much of a coincidence in my mind to think that an entire hobby's worth of people, that have been running along happily for 15-20 years without a problem, just so happens to have run out of space at the exact same time that post-covid and a cost of living crisis has hit. People used to just sell then replace to get around the space problem, but selling is now an issue in that equation.Listed prices are still high compared to pre-covid, but is the other reason that people are now out of space? I've got the funds but no space. There are some great Pins for sale at the moment but even if they were 20% cheaper I still haven't got space for them.
People used to just sell then replace to get around the space problem, but selling is now an issue in that equation.
I think that's a fair point. We got into pinball towards the end of the pandemic, largely because we'd been stuck indoors, couldn't go on holiday and it worked better than board gaming with the kids. We now have seven pins. We don't have room for any more (seven is a stretch) and owning more than seven is diminishing returns anyway. We've also played so many different pins on location now that we've got a really good idea what we like (and don't), so any new pin would have to displace the power trio of AFM, Godzilla and JP2 (plus TNA... Fish Tales...). I think, at peak, last year, I was playing JP2 for an hour every fortnight on location as I was attending a lot of medical appointments near Funland in central London - so, when I say I know what I like, I *really* know what I like.Also worth noting the surge of new buyers into the market we saw in the last few years prob subsiding now, that was helping sustain the churn of games.
No.Are pinball prices a good indicator of where the housing market is going....?
I've pretty much always had to sell a machine to be able to afford a new one.
The reason I'm selling GZ is simply that I've had it for pushing 18 months (about 50% longer than I'd normally keep a machine) and I've seen everything there is to see on it, time for a change.
Will someone be totting up the data that shows how much moaning is really going on in this thread?
Seems a bit of false advertising to me - far too much agreeing going on!
Now that’s an answer!No.
People need houses to live in; pinball machines are unnecessary luxury items.
Everybody needs somewhere to live; pinball machine buyers are very limited.
Building new houses takes time and is predominantly controlled by a limited number of housebuilders who have dramatically reduced the number of new building starts; pinball manufacturers still producing volumes (maybe taking as long to build them though )
Government always supports the housing market in difficult times as it is such a large part of the economy; just last week there was lots of arm twisting of lenders to agree to the new Mortgage Charter; government will never support pinball.
Paying the mortgage / rent is for most always top of priorities list; pinball probably near bottom.
Despite what the press would like us to believe, average weekly earnings increases are keeping up with inflation 7.5% up in the past year and 23% up on 3 years ago, compared to consumer prices (including housing) increasing by 8.7% over the last year and 21% over the past 3.
And only 1/3 of the housing stock in the UK has a mortgage on it and by value total mortgages outstanding only account for around 19% of total housing wealth and most of the housing equity is held by the older generations.
Unfortunately any pain in the housing market will be focussed on the younger generations with higher mortgages; Most pinball buyers are older generations with little or no mortgage. Different target markets.
Must say, I'm with Craig on this... We've just bought TNA and I've also got an Alien Poker at home (really missing it as it's undergoing playfield replacement), and you can see everything they have to offer in about 15 minutes. TNA is just completing the same set of actions nine times with the occasional multi-ball.You made it to Monster Island Madness?!
Don't you need a topper for that?You made it to Monster Island Madness?!
That's just one of the reasons why I don't see the love for TNA at all - I think it's a very limited game.Must say, I'm with Craig on this... We've just bought TNA and I've also got an Alien Poker at home (really missing it as it's undergoing playfield replacement), and you can see everything they have to offer in about 15 minutes. TNA is just completing the same set of actions nine times with the occasional multi-ball.
It's not Dark Souls or Zelda... or the Elder Scrolls series. The point of the game isn't to wander around the whole map until you've spoken to every NPC.
No it's the one you get if you manage to complete the planet X multiball, the one where you have 120 seconds to complete the whole of planet X again without ever having less than 2 balls. Once you have completed it you then have to complete KOTM and the super wizard mode will start. It's the equivalent of WDRTU. I actually haven't heard of anyone getting there yetDon't you need a topper for that?
When was that added?
Or by doing the 10 secret combos and then completing KotMNo it's the one you get if you manage to complete the planet X multiball, the one where you have 120 seconds to complete the whole of planet X again without ever having less than 2 balls. Once you have completed it you then have to complete KOTM and the super wizard mode will start. It's the equivalent of WDRTU. I actually haven't heard of anyone getting there yet
That'll be a no thenNo it's the one you get if you manage to complete the planet X multiball, the one where you have 120 seconds to complete the whole of planet X again without ever having less than 2 balls. Once you have completed it you then have to complete KOTM and the super wizard mode will start. It's the equivalent of WDRTU. I actually haven't heard of anyone getting there yet
My view is Yes. pinball prices dip before a housing price dipNow that’s an answer!
Quoting from the b66 ad.Unfortunately they will be a tipping point when buyers will want HUO only including being not moved since unboxing. Going to be a bit tricky trying to organise events. What about league meets where 'strangers' get to play?
A guy came to view maiden on Friday. More interested in the back than the playfield. How many games? How long you had it? How many shows it done? How much is AFM (very common to swap interest to another game. Any cheap games? Steve points to £200 fruit machine and get a scowl back.
And they didn't bid
A return to precovid could return for everything EXCEPT NIB so the gap between prices will grow ... Into a chasm . I'm happy with a price correction IF it including NIB LOL
It was a buyers market for a long time . 1995 to 2010s . That's why so many games exported or scrapped. Low prices are not necessaryly a great thing.
Quoting from the b66 ad.
I think some people care about # of plays and some people don’t. I do think it’s surprising how many plays some people think is a lot though considering what the machines are built for.
Both my TMNT and JP have about 2000 plays each, are huo and in great condition but that would still be too much for some people. I’ve had FF for just a month and it already has over 200 games on it.
One of the really nice things about the community is how people loan each other games, invite people over they’ve never even met, take games to shows etc. I hope that doesn’t change because people are worried about a few more plays.
Number of plays, as machine prices increase will sadly be a measure.