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Stern Ghostbusters

Great video Jim. Machine looks like lots of fun and hard!. Awesome dots, great sound although not sure if the main tune will become annoying ( pinball browser to the rescue :p ).
 
Nice pics.

As for pinball browser - guys who do this make games feel so different.

See this version of TWD.

 
You do read this idea a lot, but in Vid's guide to playfield restoration on Pinside, which is probably the best pin playfield restoration guide on the net, he says that it's not true - that Stern's clear is thicker, at least than Williams'. Quote from Vid himself:

"Most Williams games have no, or almost no clear coat (whenever someone talks about wanting Stern to have "Williams quality", all the ops laugh)."

That can't be true though. I've seen routed TAFs/TZs that are 25 years old that look in much better nick than 6/7 year old BDKs etc. The pf's are down to the bare wood
 
That can't be true though. I've seen routed TAFs/TZs that are 25 years old that look in much better nick than 6/7 year old BDKs etc. The pf's are down to the bare wood

I dunno, I have no personal experience, just going off what vid says - I tend to believe him though, his experience is far greater than mine.

One reason I am sceptical is that I can't honestly see a reason for cutting down on clear coat - the cost of additional layers must be next to zero per playfield when it's automated through a CNC sprayer. I had my TOTAN playfield clear-coated by a guy who does car panel repairs in our village - he didn't even charge me, and I don't know him well at all, he just put it through when he was doing some other parts. He said if it was a one off he would charge me, for cost of setup / cleaning equipment, but not as part of a batch.
 
I dunno, I have no personal experience, just going off what vid says - I tend to believe him though, his experience is far greater than mine.

One reason I am sceptical is that I can't honestly see a reason for cutting down on clear coat - the cost of additional layers must be next to zero per playfield when it's automated through a CNC sprayer. I had my TOTAN playfield clear-coated by a guy who does car panel repairs in our village - he didn't even charge me, and I don't know him well at all, he just put it through when he was doing some other parts. He said if it was a one off he would charge me, for cost of setup / cleaning equipment, but not as part of a batch.

Vid will often white knight for Stern on a lot of things, and is frequently one of the first to do so on any thread.

No, cost of the actual spraying won't be significantly higher. But drying / curing time between layers is costly, because it means the whole process takes longer, thus more time in drying racks and increased lead times.

I guarantee you the Stern clears are nothing like as good as Mirco / B & T Automaten / CPR. Looking at how thin / quickly they wear on some examples, Stern ones are probably a single thin layer and likely don't use the expensive German / Japanese automotive ones that the former and HSA / PBD utilise.
 
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Vid will often white knights for Stern on a lot of things, and is frequently one of the first to do so on any thread.

No, cost of the actual spraying won't be significantly higher. But drying / curing time between layers is costly, because it means the whole process takes longer, thus more time in drying racks and increased lead times.

I guarantee you the Stern clears are nothing like as good as Mirco / B & T Automaten / CPR. Looking at how thin / quickly they wear on some examples, Stern ones are probably a single thin layer and likely don't use the expensive German / Japanese automotive ones that the former and HSA / PBD utilise.

Yeah, I guess time = money. But if they clear coat themselves, then I guess they run playfield manufacturing processes in parallel with other manufacturing operations, in which case time would not matter? I have no clue about what Stern actually do, but still very sceptical based on what vid says.
 
Yeah, I guess time = money. But if they clear coat themselves, then I guess they run playfield manufacturing processes in parallel with other manufacturing operations, in which case time would not matter? I have no clue about what Stern actually do, but still very sceptical based on what vid says.

I was under the impression that all Stern cabinets and playfields (cutting, printing, clearing) were produced off site. May be wrong though.

Either way, it would still take more time and money. Indeed I suspect they'd be even less willing to do that in house, given their production numbers for successful games. That's a lot of space, and a lot of ventilation needed.
 
I was under the impression that all Stern cabinets and playfields (cutting, printing, clearing) were produced off site. May be wrong though.

Either way, it would still take more time and money. Indeed I suspect they'd be even less willing to do that in house, given their production numbers for successful games. That's a lot of space, and a lot of ventilation needed.

My point is I find vid's post credible. He seems to be well respected by the pinside community, and I rate his restoration post, so he's a credible guy in my eyes. Maybe you're better informed than vid, but I don't know you, even by rep.
 
Regardless of how you think they compare to old BWs, they definitely do not compare well to contemporary manufacturers like Mirco (repros & JJP), B & T (repros) and CPR (repros), or those that do professional re-clearing like HSA in the US or Pinball Dreams in Germany.
 
Regardless of how you think they compare to old BWs, they definitely do not compare well to contemporary manufacturers like Mirco (repros & JJP), B & T (repros) and CPR (repros), or those that do professional re-clearing like HSA in the US or Pinball Dreams in Germany.
Like I've said before, I'm quoting vid and value his view, I actually personally don't know. Rewriting your earlier post in a different order of words isn't going to make me believe your word more than his
 
Like I've said before, I'm quoting vid and value his view, I actually personally don't know. Rewriting your earlier post in a different order of words isn't going to make me believe your word more than his

Just find some games with PFs cleared by the above and compare them to Stern. It isn't arguable.
 
Just find some games with PFs cleared by the above and compare them to Stern. It isn't arguable.

You've lost me. I posted a thread from pinside about Stern clear-coat being perceived as lesser quality than Williams' clear-coats, in reply to a couple of threads to the contrary. Somehow you've now managed to convince yourself that I am arguing with you about Stern clearcoat quality versus a whole load of current day reproduction manufacturers. I've said nothing about these repro manufacturers, as I have no idea about their quality, and it has nothing to do with what I originally said, and I couldn't give a flying **** about. **** me.
 
You've lost me. I posted a thread from pinside about Stern clear-coat being perceived as lesser quality than Williams' clear-coats, in reply to a couple of threads to the contrary. Somehow you've now managed to convince yourself that I am arguing with you about Stern clearcoat quality versus a whole load of current day reproduction manufacturers. I've said nothing about these repro manufacturers, as I have no idea about their quality, and it has nothing to do with what I originally said, and I couldn't give a flying **** about. **** me.

You posted that in response to people discussing the supposedly poor quality of Stern clear coating. BW are no longer active and haven't been for coming up on 20 years. I'm comparing them to contemporary equivalents as you recognise. Vid making comments about their clear vs the often totally absent clear on old BW games doesn't really mean much 17 years on from BW's exit from pinball. Vid too was responding to criticism of poor Stern CC'ing by saying it was better or at least present compared to BW.
 
Have I logged into Pinside by mistake? ;)

Anyway, back to the Ghostbusters. Jim, thanks for the video.....it's looks super cool :thumbs: How does the right ramp work on the Pro....does it go up and then roll back on itself?
 
You posted that in response to people discussing the supposedly poor quality of Stern clear coating.

Here's one catching the light and you can see the finish is very thin indeed.

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Compared to a Star Trek and Game Of Thrones today, neither of them look like this. A friend in the US who has seen a SM Vault edition said those are extremely thin too. I heard Stern were having trouble with the amount of time it was taking for playfields to cure - I hope this wasn't the solution.
 
Just caught up here, cool as Jim. :thumbs: I thought you'd ordered a GoT?

Yes I had started off ordering a game of thrones, but was in 2 minds all along about this and that one. The walking dead order was solid. Eventually fate intervened and decided for me :) I'm glad it worked out this way. I'm super happy
 
Have I logged into Pinside by mistake? ;)

Anyway, back to the Ghostbusters. Jim, thanks for the video.....it's looks super cool :thumbs: How does the right ramp work on the Pro....does it go up and then roll back on itself?

Yeah the right ramp feed into the left lower down. It's handy for lining up a super jackpot shot and locking balls I have found out! One thing though it could do with an extra gate adding at the turn as sometimes the ball comes back down
 
Only had about a hour on this now, got my first multi ball and then in the confusion I lost the balls thinking the flippers stopped working only to look up and see something about reversed flippers, so by the time I could see the right button was flipping the left flipper the balls had gone :) but very cool and will know for next time, its so fast compared to what I am used to, never heard the ball hit the glass before and sometimes it takes off right over the flippers :)
 
Here's one catching the light and you can see the finish is very thin indeed.

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Compared to a Star Trek and Game Of Thrones today, neither of them look like this. A friend in the US who has seen a SM Vault edition said those are extremely thin too. I heard Stern were having trouble with the amount of time it was taking for playfields to cure - I hope this wasn't the solution.
Well this is about GB @myPinballs.

Looks like 'orange peel'. Games really shouldn't be going out like that. Was this a test sample or one of the full production ones, do you know?
 
Air balls can be down to the angle of the playfield - I had a LOTR that was the same and just a tiny change in angle stopped it.

The slings on my Stern Stones were insane, literally slamming the ball across the playfield... airballs, glass hits, smacking off things :eek: - I ended up dropping the coil strength setting to Low in settings, much better.
 
Well this is about GB @myPinballs.

Looks like 'orange peel'. Games really shouldn't be going out like that. Was this a test sample or one of the full production ones, do you know?

That's the one shipped to Logan arcade, same thing seen on the one sent to a location in Chicago. I assume these are all the same batch rather than prototypes. The concerning part for me is you can see the light catching the woodgrain. I suppose we'll get more feedback over the coming weeks - could just be a small batch affected.
 
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