Anyone got any concerns at this companies lack of experience pumping out a high volume of games? We saw how long it took JJP to pull a factory and work force together. Any concerns about mounting the boards to the underside if the pf? I don't quite get the reasoning behind that
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Who Fancies a New MM?
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This venture has some big names behind it and the homework has been done. They are using a games manufacturer in Chicago who has the infrastructure already in place. They also have a dedicated cabinet-making division.
http://www.chicago-gaming.com/cabinets.php
Err, bet he is.
1 woz sale profit - 4-5k? (given that it's presumably recouped development costs etc on the initial LE run) - note we're looking at marginal profit assuming all the sunk costs are ignored.
1 MM retail sale - 1k mark up?
Mark9 above will be a classic example of people opting to buy the MM remake rather than another NIB. I also toyed with coming out of the Hobbit to buy a MM but figured I'd hold in until I've seen the actual new JJP machine. May still do this if a non LE version is also made (not sure if this will happen or if this is just a rumour) and then try to get a 2nd hand Hobbit at a later date.
Think he's doing the only thing he can by ensuring he gets a slice of the action but there's no getting away from the fact that a new competitor has just entered the market and secured $7 million of agreed sales. Somethings got to give. Fingers crossed for a glut of old machines being let go to fund it. Also hoping it will cause Stern to up their game in terms of quality and innovation to compete.
I'm guessing AFM will be next followed by CC(?) so they don't have to deal with film companies etc. Oh well just spent the most I've ever paid on a machine for an AFM. Lucky I'm buying it for enjoyment rather than as an investment. I'd love to think the people moaning on Pinside about their values were being affected were taking the **** but I suspect they are serious.
Ok so this one's a gamble too, but I can always take back the deposit if things are looking iffy.
I can only guess the boards are under the playfield to reduce the amount of wiring required.
I can only guess the boards are under the playfield to reduce the amount of wiring required.
I may still put down the deposit on the Hobbit, hedge my bets. Bit gutted would like to have both really.
Mr Whitfield, give a bell mate.
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PM sent mate. Combination of my big fat **** and coins has put paid to my phone
prices are funny things, I remember a time when CC was the grail pin,MM as long since surpassed it. 7K for an MM remake, yes. 7k for an AFM remake, I'm not so sure. you have to remember the WPC 95 games were budget versions of the earlier WPC stuff, the 'egg crates' as lightboxes ,generic speaker cover, two flippers etc. MM became valuable because of limited production numbers.
So it looks like they have probably sold out already. If they do decide to make more and go down the 'PRO' route then I can't help but feel the LE would be slightly disappointing as the differences would be pretty minimal. ColorDMD would have been a good addition.
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There will always be a strong market for the "Originals" They have proven durability and have gr8 parts availability and history......
PCB' Boards on the UNDER-SIDE of the playfield ???!!!! C'mon!!!!!
PCB' Boards on the UNDER-SIDE of the playfield ???!!!! C'mon!!!!!
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Err, bet he is.
1 woz sale profit - 4-5k? (given that it's presumably recouped development costs etc on the initial LE run) - note we're looking at marginal profit assuming all the sunk costs are ignored.
1 MM retail sale - 1k mark up?
Mark9 above will be a classic example of people opting to buy the MM remake rather than another NIB. I also toyed with coming out of the Hobbit to buy a MM but figured I'd hold in until I've seen the actual new JJP machine. May still do this if a non LE version is also made (not sure if this will happen or if this is just a rumour) and then try to get a 2nd hand Hobbit at a later date.
Think he's doing the only thing he can by ensuring he gets a slice of the action but there's no getting away from the fact that a new competitor has just entered the market and secured $7 million of agreed sales. Somethings got to give. Fingers crossed for a glut of old machines being let go to fund it. Also hoping it will cause Stern to up their game in terms of quality and innovation to compete.
I'm guessing AFM will be next followed by CC(?) so they don't have to deal with film companies etc. Oh well just spent the most I've ever paid on a machine for an AFM. Lucky I'm buying it for enjoyment rather than as an investment. I'd love to think the people moaning on Pinside about their values were being affected were taking the **** but I suspect they are serious.
Reading pinside there's a lot more people cancelling their STLE orders than TH orders. A one off run of 1000 games isn't going to eat into the pinball business too much. And as someone else pointed out, no one is going to pay £7k for a new CC or AFM when you can pick them up for less than that already
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There will always be a strong market for the "Originals" They have proven durability and have gr8 parts availability and history......
PCB' Boards on the UNDER-SIDE of the playfield ???!!!! C'mon!!!!!
Agree.
But what is original?
If I was seriously considering a remake or original MM, it would need to come with:
Colour dmd (will Color DMD's be compatible with the remake? Add on £350)
Beefed-up speakers (will FF or PP kits work with the remake? Add on £150)
A good, known spare marketplace (90 day warranty!!! That's pathetic)
Ability to change the bulbs/LEDs - if one goes bad is it a new entire board?
I think they should release some tech specs on the new hardware & software ASAP.
Colour dmd (will Color DMD's be compatible with the remake? Add on £350)
Beefed-up speakers (will FF or PP kits work with the remake? Add on £150)
A good, known spare marketplace (90 day warranty!!! That's pathetic)
Ability to change the bulbs/LEDs - if one goes bad is it a new entire board?
I think they should release some tech specs on the new hardware & software ASAP.
Just put my name down, Phil has already shifted most of what he had to offer, I would get on his case pretty damn quick if you want to be in the game, I would personally prefer an original but pretty confident that the remake will be even more reliable with newer boards/less components etc and most importantly it will play like a new Williams (or should if they use new old stock parts), I don't think there will be an exodus to shift games to raise money as the number available in the UK are limited, great news for pinball and hopefully for those who placed their faith in Wayne and were short changed, hopefully they will get some resolve from this.
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Dreads, I take it you have found your Pinball Mojo
Not yet, that might help, it was more from a business point of view, mod creation and I figured I could get the tax man to pay for it.
Saying that I got my TZ up and running yesterday, been down for about 8 months so pretty eager to play that, I missed the depressing music
Saying that I got my TZ up and running yesterday, been down for about 8 months so pretty eager to play that, I missed the depressing music
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Who knows what prices will do and where they will go.
However, I'd fully expect a dip/glut when we finally leave recession/austerity. This is standard for most recession based investments, money needs a home, it's finds one, then is extracted for a different venture. Same as most antiquities/collectables/etc.
However, I'd fully expect a dip/glut when we finally leave recession/austerity. This is standard for most recession based investments, money needs a home, it's finds one, then is extracted for a different venture. Same as most antiquities/collectables/etc.
My thoughts exactly. There's way too many great games out there for £1000, why no nuts? Ok there's some even better ones for £2000, and arguably if you go up to £3000 you are still getting money's worth. After that though, for me at least, it's nonsense. Yes ACDC is epic. Yes MM is epic. Yes LOTR is epic. Yes AFM is epic. But none of them are worth the equivalent for most people of over 2 months salary.
Bang on there, some collectors already shifted their stash to get in on the looming property boom
Phil has estimated at 6.5k
Still in on Predator 100%. Taking a chance on it for sure, but after seeing the early software vid with the wizard mode teaser, I made my mind up right then I would own it. Will find out Monday the prices from Phil and whatnot so I'm not sure on the MM just yet.
Might have to go on the Weetabix diet again. It may even go to extremes, but I draw the line at doing another week on my knees down the docks.
Might have to go on the Weetabix diet again. It may even go to extremes, but I draw the line at doing another week on my knees down the docks.
6.5k - price is the website: http://www.pinballheaven.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1358
LE still available!
LE still available!
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I'll keep my original ta
Rick from PPS gives his talk here on the MM news. Its just after the old guy waffling on at the beginning.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/40005963
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/40005963
Trouble brewing stateside. Apparently PPS have inserted a confidentiality clause and are threatening to cancel pre orders if people post about their order details! Sounds like they may have oversold the initial 1000 games
I dont know why they don't just have a 2 month order window and make as many as they get orders for. This whole LE, non LE at the same price is a bit daft imo
I dont know why they don't just have a 2 month order window and make as many as they get orders for. This whole LE, non LE at the same price is a bit daft imo
No interest here. Old games. 'Look to the future' to quote another old game.
In the vid link I posted Rick from PPS talks about that very scenario. He states he had meant for the wording of that 'threat' to be a lot nicer and also stated he had no intention of cancelling peoples orders if they go onto a forum to say they have one.
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Totally agree Grizz. When I first saw the post I thought WOW! But on reflection, whilst I'm sure the sales will be great, there's too much newer good stuff out there for me.
Totally agree Grizz. When I first saw the post I thought WOW! But on reflection, whilst I'm sure the sales will be great, there's too much newer good stuff out there for me.