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The OFFICIAL LICENSED 'moans about pricing' thread

Don't think there will ever be a rarity to Elton John. Think Elton John will be around for years to buy from JJP and they will almost certainly keep pumping out new Collectors Editions and Limited Editions just like they did with the Emerald City, Ruby Red, Yellow Brick Road WOZ etc.
 
Darthsinex said:
Don't think there will ever be a rarity to Elton John. Think Elton John will be around for years to buy from JJP and they will almost certainly keep pumping out new Collectors Editions and Limited Editions just like they did with the Emerald City, Ruby Red, Yellow Brick Road WOZ etc.
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I agree, but with a fairly niche theme and a very high price tag I’d still be surprised if loads of them sell over here.
 
JustLikeMe said:
I agree, but with a fairly niche theme and a very high price tag I’d still be surprised if loads of them sell over here.
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I agree that it might be available and it might get more popular now it’s relatively highly rated on Pinside, but I’m not seeing hoards of people rushing for the Elton John theme.

I’m someone who is (within limits) relatively ambivalent about theme provided the gameplay is good, but that seems to be rare.

I’m not expecting super-resale value because, well, it’s still an Elton John pin…
 
JustLikeMe said:
I agree, but with a fairly niche theme and a very high price tag I’d still be surprised if loads of them sell over here.
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That’s the point people are missing, as things stand right now it’s not rarity of game, it’s rarity of people willing to buy nib, which is why it’s a reasonable assumption that if only 10 or so people bought very strong games I.e jaws prem or EJ they should start to hold up better , as they may only come up very occasionally
 
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Kelsbells said:
That’s the point people are missing, as things stand right now it’s not rarity of game, it’s rarity of people willing to buy nib, which is why it’s a reasonable assumption that if only 10 or so people bought very strong games I.e jaws prem or EJ they should start to hold up better , as they may only come up very occasionally
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Personally, I’m not so sure. I think Jaws stands a better chance than EJ due to the IP, but the overall reaction to the game has been a bit muted compared to GZ and JP. The problem with EJ is the theme and to a lesser extent the slight bias against JJP that seems to exist in the hobby. I’m a JJP fan and I absolutely loved EJ when I played it at EAG but I’m not at all interested in owning one because it’s an Elton John pin.

The other thing is that historically the pins that have held their value the best all share one thing in common - they were panned upon release and then opinion changed either due to software updates or people actually getting to play them once they were no longer available NIB.

This doesn’t apply to EJ as everyone seems to agree is a fantastic game nor Jaws as Stern have recently shown that they’ll just continue to re-run them if the demand is there, quite possibly in a ‘definitely not a limited edition but limited run Premium’ which will be more desirable than the original release. Look at what happened to the value of Stranger Things when they did another run of those, what happened to Elvira with the BRK edition, and what is likely to happen to both Metallica and Godzilla if the rumours re new editions of those games turns out to be true.

VeeMonroe said:
I’m not expecting super-resale value because, well, it’s still an Elton John pin…
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Exactly - the game is excellent, but I think the market for super expensive EJ pins will be served by NIB sales. Sure, other people would probably consider having one, but not at the NIB price and probably not a second hand one for £500-£1000 less.
 
JustLikeMe said:
Exactly - the game is excellent, but I think the market for super expensive EJ pins will be served by NIB sales. Sure, other people would probably consider having one, but not at the NIB price and probably not a second hand one for £500-£1000 less.
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I definitely see myself as a player first and a collector second, and bought a EJ because we tend to keep pins and I doubted I’d get one come up (second hand) in a reasonable time.
 
VeeMonroe said:
I definitely see myself as a player first and a collector second, and bought a EJ because we tend to keep pins and I doubted I’d get one come up (second hand) in a reasonable time.
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I bought Venom Premium for the same reason. Great game and not many were selling so I didn’t like my chances of picking one up on the secondary market anytime soon.
 
JustLikeMe said:
I bought Venom Premium for the same reason. Great game and not many were selling so I didn’t like my chances of picking one up on the secondary market anytime soon.
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Me too it’s a classic example of slated at the start even by people who have never played it then goes on to be a good game but none out there
I don’t think any game has sold on mass since ff and the love for that game didn’t seem to last long with many coming up on the re sale market quickly with people taking a big hit
Even jaws has sold very little amazing title done by the best game designer in years
And John wick seems to be a non starter
 
Kenny Taylor said:
It’s hard to explain but for me Stern pins all have a familiarity. They have some crackers but many are meh!
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I thought that was only me! That’s why I’ve got a varied selection here - a Spooky, two Spike 2 Sterns, 2 Bally/Williams and a couple of 80s machines (plus the JJP incoming).
 
RetroHeed said:
Not a moan about pricing post.

Instead it's a good one for someone about to pull the trigger on a NIB.

See Retro Arcade Specialists latest post tonight for a code.

I just tested it on a machine.

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If I was on the fence about buying a new Pin then this would have tipped me over the edge.
 
RetroHeed said:
Not a moan about pricing post.

Instead it's a good one for someone about to pull the trigger on a NIB.

See Retro Arcade Specialists latest post tonight for a code.

I just tested it on a machine.

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which sounds great until you realise they'd uplifted by 500 in the first place.

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Epotech said:
which sounds great until you realise they'd uplifted by 500 in the first place.

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Oh true I guess, maybe not the best example machine to have shown the discount against.
 
So is EJ as great as everyone says?I was looking through old threads about GnR and everything was saying that was the best game ever when it came out, but I found it a total turd when I played it!
 
jonathan said:
So is EJ as great as everyone says?I was looking through old threads about GnR and everything was saying that was the best game ever when it came out, but I found it a total turd when I played it!
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Yes. I had a rental one at my house for a month and have a NIB one arriving on Wednesday.
 
EJ has raised the bar to completely new levels on lighting and sound , and it’s as fun to shoot as any game you’ll ever play, makes most other games even recent ones look like throwbacks from a different era
 
jonathan said:
So is EJ as great as everyone says?I was looking through old threads about GnR and everything was saying that was the best game ever when it came out, but I found it a total turd when I played it!
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I'm in the market for a new game and EJ remains a contender. One of thee reasons I'm holding out is to see what JJP do next but make no mistake about it . . . they have massive upped their game.

There is no comparison to how G&R & Elton shoots (that just sounds wrong).
 
You've got to consider market saturation. Are we there I wonder?

How many NIB pins are sold each year (ought be be possible to estimate from touted EC import numbers).

Or is it naive to think those older titles aren't easily going to flow down to the 2nd hand market (majority), especially with the many new pinheads on the scene?

Thinking out loud I suppose there's going to be saturation at different levels. NIB crowd vs 2nd hand crowd vs classics crowd
 
Like many markets, there’s a post-Covid-cost-of-living correction

Def seems like machines are sitting for a while, though some are still priced high

Definitely deals to be had though, if only I had more space!!
 
I think space is a big issue, there's been a few Pins for sale and currently unsold ones where I've thought the prices were about right, but I'm out of space. If they were 1, 2 or 3 grand cheaper I still wouldn't have the space for them.
 
If the prices were right they would sell, the market always decides, people will always find space for another pin at a fair market value, there's just alot of deluded people about that haven't come to the realisation there 12k machine is now worth 4k + less. Kind of at the stalemate stage where people don't want to lose that much money on a purchase and sellers don't want to pay that much, somethings got to give,.most likely it will be new releases and fomo that will cause sellers to drop prices to fund new purchases, we just haven't had the announcements yet.
 
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My thoughts are this is literally about money. Whether people aren’t spending because they’re unsure whether they will make a loss or struggle to move a pin on or more generally they haven’t got enough for,and let’s be realistic a massively overpriced toy!
I’ve always been of the opinion that they aren’t intrinsically worth the price that is put upon them.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve spent way too much on pins and arcade cabs and don’t regret a single purchase. But I generally think there’s a fundamental flaw/delusion is pinball pricing from manufacturers downwards.
Only my view, and probably wildly at odds with most 😂
 
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