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It’s always happened and always will loads of group members are always asking USA suppliers to mark it down before you ship it is this not vat fraud ?
I can’t see the big who har you can buy pretty much any pinball parts from the us just pay the vat
If you where an avid leaver then you only got yourself to blame you can’t really moan
Just out of interest how does this effect the us sellers? basically they have to charge the VAT then send it back to uk gov some how? which is just extra paperwork for them? is that the part they are unhappy with? For the buyer you just pay the 20% when you buy the item rather then pay it to the shipping company when it arrives?
Is this in any way adversely affecting any NIB pin shipments coming over from US?
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^^^This.
Don't think it is the Brexiters moaning though! [emoji16]
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Exactly! Everyone asks sellers to do the above, I know a load of stern pinball banners that went over to a couple guys in Australia who asked the same to be done for them. Everyone’s has done it or does it, not just us in the U.K.
Yes and I can see why it’s not worth the effort for a £13 shooter lane protector which you make £2 profit on
No it’s same as always Phil pays the vat you pay the vat to him
Unless if you have imported it your self in that case the vat and duty would need paying before it cleared custom s
Correct me if I'm wrong but you can register for vat online and it doesn't look like there's a fee to do so. Don't know what the big deal is if that's correct? It can take 20-30 days but they've known this for a while. Bit if a storm in a pint pot (or 0. 568L to our euro friends)
And would need to do a VAT return which may require you to get / pay your account so really not worth the hassle. You can be VAT registered if self employed and not a LTD.
Actually I meant for European companies to register so they deduct vat at source doesn't seem like a big deal
Had a non pinball similar issue today. Mrs Ped ordered a picture frame from a Swedish company on 30th Dec. They added Vat to the invoice then DHL charged a further 20% plus a handling fee because the supplier had forgotten to tick the duty paid box and phoned to say they wouldn't deliver unless she paid this as well. Herself spoke to them and they agreed that it was the sellers mistake but she'd have to take it up with them, which she duly did, in full strop mode. While all this was going on DHL delivered it anyway 
Have recently (since Jan 1st) purchased an item from Crucial UK.
Item is being shipped from Brno, Czechia (Unknown to me - i thought it was being shipped from the UK!) .
I have two receipts... One says "inc Vat" with the full price, the other says "VAT 0%" with the same price......
Item is being shipped from Brno, Czechia (Unknown to me - i thought it was being shipped from the UK!) .
I have two receipts... One says "inc Vat" with the full price, the other says "VAT 0%" with the same price......
It is a difficult one here because I don't want to scaremonger on stuff coming in from USA and people doing it directly, and that may be how it comes across, so to caveat this, I don't know what is going to happen if VAT isn't collected stateside or EU side. I do wonder though. My initial theory is that they would levy high fees this end, to make the buyer put pressure on the supplier to conform, but that doesn't really get to the root, would they confiscate? I doubt it, so what else does it leave? Surely you'd have to go much higher than the VAT and handling fee or... we are just in a VAT and handling fee situation and should've just been left where it was no?
What I can say is I have had suppliers come to me now and say, we aren't touching it, anything that comes to us, goes through you (which was, to be honest always the view mid term) and people who weren't suppliers come to me and say can we come via you.
What I can say is I have had suppliers come to me now and say, we aren't touching it, anything that comes to us, goes through you (which was, to be honest always the view mid term) and people who weren't suppliers come to me and say can we come via you.
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ah but that's where you are wrong (twice in one week Andy!).
The reason Ebay is collecting the money is because HMRC threatened to black list all inbound Ebay purchases! The same will happen to bozo outfits that flout the law.
You have got away with dodging the tax, the same change happened in the US with state tax and the same change is coming to the US. The UK has agreed to charge tax for items ordered here and delivered in the US.
Cheers,
Neil.
Surely that's a good thing? Won't it just end up with a b2b transaction between a US supplier and UK distributor? Local shipping and service for us punters and a UK business benefitting?
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So this week I've ordered from Marco's and pinball life and a couple things of pinside marketplace no issues. I ordered from KMS Handel in Germany, no issues.
Cheers,
Neil.
Cheers,
Neil.
With respect Neil you still haven't explained your comments in the other thread. While I agree that the HMRC may well have threatened to black list ebay and other large online retailers, they will never be able to police the smaller bozo outfits that flout the law. What's even worse is that it will be totally unenforceable with companies in many countries. In operating in this manner the HMRC will, lose more revenue than they gain. People will also unwittingly think they have paid the tax when it is actually being pocketed in other counties. That is a far worse situation than we currently have.ah but that's where you are wrong (twice in one week Andy!).
The reason Ebay is collecting the money is because HMRC threatened to black list all inbound Ebay purchases! The same will happen to bozo outfits that flout the law.
You have got away with dodging the tax, the same change happened in the US with state tax and the same change is coming to the US. The UK has agreed to charge tax for items ordered here and delivered in the US.
Cheers,
Neil.
The motivation is clearly the need to divert resources to deal with the extra bureaucracy caused by Brexit rather than a genuine attempt to clamp down on the small amount of items that slip through the current arrangements. Ebay are already failing to apply the VAT rules correctly and are charging VAT on items that are exempt. Many genuine smaller companies will just stop trading with the UK due to the additional burden this system places on them.
I have never ever dodged any tax on items that I have imported. More often than not I have been overcharged the VAT on imported items. Having agreements with the US and the EU is one thing, but we are now in a global economy and items are coming to the UK from all over the world.
My issue with this is the fact that many items will now impossible to obtain due to the companies that sell them refusing to trade with the UK. I am not just talking pinball here, as this issue is raging on many other forums related to other hobbies. This is very bad for UK consumers and it is not as though we have a UK options for many of these specialist items.
Must admit I am with Chris B on this....
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pulling your leg mate; but you made statement that said HMRC will lose out without any data, much in the same way you claimed devaluation whilst advocating gambling on exchange rates on a currency driven by sentiment? Are you financially independant? have you a qualification or license to suggest thats a good thing to do? 
The small bozo outfits will be picked up by working with the courier companies as HMRC do today. HMRC have incredible powers to compel them to do so, and no doubt will bring in more regulations as required. I've overpaid also but claimed nearly all of it back. yes its a faff, but we have hospitals, nurses, school meals and laptops for kids with parents who spend the giro on BetFred and lottery scratch cards and cycle lanes to pay for. This is something thats happening _all over the world_ the yanks were moaning about interstate tax going away and many retailers stopped serving out of state customers. sadly its the way it is.
I've dealt with European, Chinese and US companies since the new year and had no issues except with PU, they lose out. I also trade in items and have made the adjustments to shipping to EU and NI without major headaches.
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The small bozo outfits will be picked up by working with the courier companies as HMRC do today. HMRC have incredible powers to compel them to do so, and no doubt will bring in more regulations as required. I've overpaid also but claimed nearly all of it back. yes its a faff, but we have hospitals, nurses, school meals and laptops for kids with parents who spend the giro on BetFred and lottery scratch cards and cycle lanes to pay for. This is something thats happening _all over the world_ the yanks were moaning about interstate tax going away and many retailers stopped serving out of state customers. sadly its the way it is.
I've dealt with European, Chinese and US companies since the new year and had no issues except with PU, they lose out. I also trade in items and have made the adjustments to shipping to EU and NI without major headaches.
Neil.
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btw this isn't a Brexit issue - unless china and the US are suddenly in the EU
I've shipped quite a lot of stuff to the US and always ask the sellers about the insured value. None of them give appear to give a **** as I believe their thresholds are much much higher than ours and have deviation between residential versus business addresses.ah but that's where you are wrong (twice in one week Andy!).
The reason Ebay is collecting the money is because HMRC threatened to black list all inbound Ebay purchases! The same will happen to bozo outfits that flout the law.
You have got away with dodging the tax, the same change happened in the US with state tax and the same change is coming to the US. The UK has agreed to charge tax for items ordered here and delivered in the US.
Cheers,
Neil.
Last person I spoke to about this told me it's up to $200 or so tax free.
I've shipped games worth thousands and declared as such and still no import costs for the buyers too which I've always found odd.
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exactly what I was going to say. The thresholds for many other countries are much higher so introducing these collect tax type rules for USA buyers on goods we sell to them isn’t going to be across the board. The threshold in the USA is $800
I export most of my goods to the USA so collecting USA taxes doesn’t excite me much!
if we had a more sensible threshold for vat instead of it now on anything life would be a lot simpler
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More Trump lies and Paul “they taken our rights but they’ll never take our memes” Wizcat the third spent all night with google trying to find a link he could post that made him look smart! Big hand for Paul!
Maybe i imagined it, maybe I was at a session with HMRC almost 17 months ago were they talked about this applying to China and the US before the EU. Maybe I’ve been working with the government on supply chain diversity with imports from China as key issue for two years.
Maybe the fact I’ve had it enabled in 29 different billing systems in 9 different businesses some for over 6 months is all made up bull**** too. Maybe it was postioned as part of the changes coming to the EU VAT directive to harmonise VAT at the EU borders, maybe Sako-TRG will post something exciting one day.
you know because China and US - they are still in the EU maybe.
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The fact that the govt have been planning this for 17 months when they've had nearly 4 years seems about right
The way I see it, the Brexit vote has meant we need to change our VAT collection methods. It's got nothing to do with China or the US, it's just a change to how we collect VAT, which I would argue wouldn't have happened had we not had to Brexit. The EU is planning to liberalise tax collection, but that's currently ballparked for 2022
PS: Your first post in this thread is "So pinball universe are no longer serving the UK for pinball machines or parts now that we are not in the EU!"
The way I see it, the Brexit vote has meant we need to change our VAT collection methods. It's got nothing to do with China or the US, it's just a change to how we collect VAT, which I would argue wouldn't have happened had we not had to Brexit. The EU is planning to liberalise tax collection, but that's currently ballparked for 2022
PS: Your first post in this thread is "So pinball universe are no longer serving the UK for pinball machines or parts now that we are not in the EU!"
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Nothing to do with Brexit? Well I'm relieved to hear that.
So I'm guessing France and Germany are suddenly having these problems selling stuff to each other too.
And as for Spain, if a Spaniard wants to sell a chorizo sausage to an Italian then first they have to register for VAT with the Italian government.
So I'm guessing France and Germany are suddenly having these problems selling stuff to each other too.
And as for Spain, if a Spaniard wants to sell a chorizo sausage to an Italian then first they have to register for VAT with the Italian government.
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The fact that the govt have been planning this for 17 months when they've had nearly 4 years seems about right
The way I see it, the Brexit vote has meant we need to change our VAT collection methods. It's got nothing to do with China or the US, it's just a change to how we collect VAT, which I would argue wouldn't have happened had we not had to Brexit. The EU is planning to liberalise tax collection, but that's currently ballparked for 2022
PS: Your first post in this thread is "So pinball universe are no longer serving the UK for pinball machines or parts now that we are not in the EU!"
They were originally planning for longer owing to more VAT harmonisation directives to come, it is 2022 because they didn't want to do it because of Brexit. I've no idea why PU have decided this maybe its related to changes that came in at the same time. Maybe not. Plenty of other companies to take your money. At the stage they were talking about it was completely unclear because of undemocratic idiots 1: we would even exit the EU, and 2: what the ongoing arrangements would be.
and thus the good news is that it hasn't affected me one bit as my parts from pinball life arrived and its ended up saving me money as their pricing was 20bucks lower! Glory to the cause!
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