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Duty would be an additional tax based on a percentage of the value of the item. Applied to specific items, not everything (as per the 25% the EU applied to Pinball machines from the US). I **think** this is usually used to protect from cheaper prices abroad for local industries. May be other reasons too (e.g EU retaliation to US tariffs on some of the EU goods).
 
two different taxes. one or the other or both may apply depending on the nature of the goods and country of origin. stinger is cat us on the value of the good plus any duty. [emoji23][emoji23]


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Should just have calculated VAT and duty if applicable over here as normal. This £135 thing will just stop all small businesses selling to us.

****.

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Still!

Be pleased that as you all pay this vat and tax that the UK fishery industry will now jump from 0.1% UK GDP to oooooh maybe 0.3%


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.



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Alpha1 said:
Still!

Be pleased that as you all pay this vat and tax that the UK fishery industry will now jump from 0.1% UK GDP to oooooh maybe 0.3%


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.



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Worse bit is a freaking hate fish, my number 1 diet rule is NOTHING from the sea! (or lake or any water)
 
waynej4 said:
Are people unhappy because UK.gov is now collecting taxes owed?
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No, we are unhappy as lots of companies will no longer sell items to the UK because of these rules! Lots of items I want to order from abroad I simply cannot order, as the companies don't want to deal with our stupid rules! There is no UK alternative for many of these Items, so we are basically F%^*ed!!!!!
 
waynej4 said:
Are people unhappy because UK.gov is now collecting taxes owed?
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Not at all. It was already collected and working fine before! You must not understand what has been put in place as if you did you would be complaining haha.

This £135 rule is retarded.

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Alpha1 said:
Not at all. It was already collected and working fine before! You must not understand what has been put in place as if you did you would be complaining haha.

This £135 rule is retarded.

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With all due respect, if it was working fine before then how does your comment affect fisheries? Surely they wouldn't see any increase in profit? ;)


"Be pleased that as you all pay this vat and tax that the UK fishery industry will now jump from 0.1% UK GDP to oooooh maybe 0.3%"
 
Agree with you @Andypc that the way we're collecting the tax seems a bit strange, I don't blame the businesses for not wanting the extra admin.

The principle of collecting the tax I'm okay with.

I've bought stuff from Aliexpress before that has arrived in my letterbox with no additional duties/taxes, so I don't see how it was working fine before, @Alpha1
 
waynej4 said:
I've bought stuff from Aliexpress before that has arrived in my letterbox with no additional duties/taxes
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To what value? The other thing that has changed is the low value consignment relief of £15 has been scrapped (EU doing the same). So little grey bags from Ali, Bangood etc < £15 would drop through your letter box with no knocky knocks to collect the VAT.
 
Yeah, there would be no knocky knocks because the VAT was applied by the seller in China, so I've already paid it!

My last order of approx. £32 arrived with no knocky knocks and no VAT paid either. Unless, as you suggest, I've misunderstood, I would think VAT should still have been eligible for payment?
 
Yes for orders from 1st Jan 21 the international seller should collect the VAT on purchase.

Previously orders >£15 would slip through sometimes or the value under declared on the customs form sticker. If the VAT was collected at your door you would also get stung for an admin fee of £8+ depending on courier.
 
Andypc said:
No, we are unhappy as lots of companies will no longer sell items to the UK because of these rules! Lots of items I want to order from abroad I simply cannot order, as the companies don't want to deal with our stupid rules! There is no UK alternative for many of these Items, so we are basically F%^*ed!!!!!
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Exactly well said, we are talking about retro and vintage equipment, old technology and parts. You can only buy it from where somebody has stock of it and like it or not it is a global economy now. There are many cases i deal with every day where you can only get parts and supplies from certain areas. I am glad i have my vat number ready which in theory means i can still get everything . However i very much doubt it will be the case or smooth sailing

Electronics wise i am happy to try and help out anyone in need of something hard to get. Though you will need to be patient i think :)
 
Perfect example of the nonsense of the new regulations.

Just placed a £208 ex vat order of electronics with mouser with my vat number in the system. Had to pay the vat upfront which i've never had to do before. Previously as my vat number is recorded on their system the vat was marked as zero and i didnt need to pay it and then claim it back saving time. So thats gone now and its gonna have to be claimed back later...

and it seems the £135 threshold is meaningless.

This is the reality of actually trying to do stuff now...
 
waynej4 said:
With all due respect, if it was working fine before then how does your comment affect fisheries? Surely they wouldn't see any increase in profit? ;)


"Be pleased that as you all pay this vat and tax that the UK fishery industry will now jump from 0.1% UK GDP to oooooh maybe 0.3%"
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Again you missing the point fella. The fish wasn't to do with VAT.

Anyhow if you're agreeing with Andy you're agreeing with me too so we're semi wires crossed but on the same page [emoji106]

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The HMRC will actually lose a lot more income than they gain. The tax collection from smaller companies in many other countries will be unenforceable and end up being written off. These companies will no doubt have charged the UK customers the 20%, but will have no intention of paying it to the HMRC. This is utter madness!
 
myPinballs said:
and it seems the £135 threshold is meaningless.

This is the reality of actually trying to do stuff now...
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I believe the £135 is the equivalent of €150 which is an EU limit. I suspect the EU are brining in a similar system but we are 'world beating' trailblazers.

Yes this is the reality of doing stuff in the future.....we all pay more tax (unless you are rich enough)

David
 
myPinballs said:
Perfect example of the nonsense of the new regulations.

Just placed a £208 ex vat order of electronics with mouser with my vat number in the system. Had to pay the vat upfront which i've never had to do before. Previously as my vat number is recorded on their system the vat was marked as zero and i didnt need to pay it and then claim it back saving time. So thats gone now and its gonna have to be claimed back later...

and it seems the £135 threshold is meaningless.

This is the reality of actually trying to do stuff now...
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But that is wrong, isn't it?

"The seller must charge and account for VAT at the point of sale, unless the consignment is a business to business sale and the customer has given them their UK VAT registration number."
 
Andypc said:
The HMRC will actually lose a lot more income than they gain. The tax collection from smaller companies in many other countries will be unenforceable and end up being written off. These companies will no doubt have charged the UK customers the 20%, but will have no intention of paying it to the HMRC. This is utter madness!
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When the uk government enquires as to where the vat return is:

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I won’t put anything definitive in writing but make of this what you will, my packages arrived from HK today no different to the ones I got in Oct and Dec last year.
 
Here in Switzerland, if you buy something from Amazon UK or Amazon DE that is fulfilled by Amazon itself, when you get to the checkout it recalcs the vat (savings for me, Swiss VAT is 7.7%😛) and as long as the value is under the Swiss personal import limit (100CHF?) and there is a CN22 on the side, you're good to go, Amazon have sorted out the tax hassles and it comes straight to your door. Over 100 and customs want a handling fee and duty at eye watering Swiss arbitrary rates.

The problem is the 90% of goods I want on Amazon or anywhere else on the internet are NOT fulfilled by big Amazon-like companies and thus you get "This item is not available for shipping to Switzerland". It's been like this for a few years now. All the cheapo Chinese stuff gets straight through, so I get to shop at Amazon if I'm lucky, or Digikey or RS or AliExpress, and that's it.

The only other option is to get things delivered to Germany to a holding address and go pick it up manually and get your customs refund at the border, but that's a bit fiddly. There are many firms by the border that will provide you this service!

At least Switzerland is in Schengen and has free movement with the EU, so we rarely have to show passports to cross borders. But I honestly don't really want to be relying on my UK passport anymore to get around Europe. Sad but true.

Maybe the Calais wine merchants will pivot to become shipping holding companies for frustrated Brits, or perhaps the Scots, if they breakaway 😄
 
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