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I await the details of how that will be delivered.
It really needs to be on the cost of the complete system and installation, with no VAT costs.
If it requires installation via an approved fitter, on a maintained list, like the previous government schemes, it won’t go anywhere as the process to get approved was previously too restrictive. There was little motivation to get approved for a short lived scheme.
If it is at source 0 VAT, then I will buy a few more for my system, now I know where I need to put them.
It really needs to be on the cost of the complete system and installation, with no VAT costs.
If it requires installation via an approved fitter, on a maintained list, like the previous government schemes, it won’t go anywhere as the process to get approved was previously too restrictive. There was little motivation to get approved for a short lived scheme.
If it is at source 0 VAT, then I will buy a few more for my system, now I know where I need to put them.
Think it’s just materials ie the components of a solar system. So won’t be any savings in the installation.
I want one of these but surly this should be 0% VAT as well? It’s an solar accessory.
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Where can i get these jobs publishing the bleedin' obvious, of course they are going to max out the standing charges when the tariff is capped...... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60878314
Mate you over estimate the efficiency of Solar.
Basically expect it to knock off a third to half your energy on average. More so with batteries. Some winter days I barely get enough for a third of the day. While in the summer I could have powered my house fully and have some to spare.
It's not a magic bullet but for me at least it makes me hesitate to sell based on the FiT scheme I'm on and the sheer amount of sunlight I get through out the day.
To do that you would need an off-grid inverter with battery storage, you would also likely need to massive overspec the panels to generate enough solar in winter to power everything. You would also need a pretty big inverter if you consider things you may have on at the same time like an oven and hob and then put on a microwave/kettle you could be pushing 9kW.
You've got to be prepared to change your habbits.
That means don't use the Tumble dryer and Oven and Kettle at the same time! Space appliance usage out. Scrap the tumble dryer and move to a washing line in all honesty.
As other have explained here. You need to factor how many panels you can fit on the roof. The largest inverter you can afford and whether you want to invest in a battery to boot.
What you get out of the Solar will be only as good as how smartly you use it.
With the way energy prices are going how are you costing out?
For instance if your projected bill is at £3K per annum and your energy say halved as a result of the install thats £1500 a year saving. My install for instance was 7k so based on that I would be back in profit from year 5.
Its not going to save you money from year 1!
Scott
I’ve been looking into it, it’s a big investment to do it properly for all year round power especially for a big house with electric heating/hot water. Loads of panels and battery’s, you also need to be living there for a long time after to make it worth it and I have lived here 21 years already. Not sure how much you would get back if you sell.
Im an electrician so there you go
I normally go all in or don’t bother, still thinking about it.Think I will just be more frugal in our usage as going from £300/350 a month to possibly £450-£500 isn’t funny when you don’t work anymore and I really don’t want to go back.
We even bought a heat pump tumble dryer to drop it a few years back
Ive got a pack of meter seals if you want any
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As I said in a previous comment - My Dad installed solar panels 2 years ago, alongside a Tesla battery. During the winter months or on cloudy days, they still rely on some grid electricity. But during sunny days and in the summer months, they use no electricity from the grid at all - and any surplus is sold back, so for half the year or more he is generating a small income from it. My Dad also receives a cheaper electricity rate, as he is on a Tesla plan (he also has a Tesla car). He estimated it would all have paid for itself within 5 years, and it's definitely on track to at the moment with prices rising so much now. There's just he and my Mum living together, though, and they don't have a tumble dryer for example - it may well be different if you have a family or high electricity usage.
But yes, during the winter or cloudy/rainy days, you would still need to have an electricity plan.
Yeah iv been monitoring my electric and seeing what peak is etc.. and how and why we use it and what our idle power is etc.. and tbh its pretty low. I think it would fit solar well. All we do is swap a few things we did at night to in the day. But unless it covers like 80% of my bill I wouldn't bother tbh. I don't mind making changes / buying more expensive larger system but it has to do better then 30% / 50% coverage.
Most we ever draw at once is like 7kwh and what was with hob / kettle tumble / washer all going at same time. Which can be avoided if it had to be.
New panels are menna be quite efficient these days? ie you don't need a sunny day for them to make decent amount of power they basically just need sunlight.
Most we ever draw at once is like 7kwh and what was with hob / kettle tumble / washer all going at same time. Which can be avoided if it had to be.
New panels are menna be quite efficient these days? ie you don't need a sunny day for them to make decent amount of power they basically just need sunlight.
Today's panels are cheaper and harness more of the sun's potential compared with 10 years ago plus panels do depreciate.
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Monthly bill going up from £220 to £500 so exploring all options.
Monthly bill going up from £220 to £500 so exploring all options.
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It is also worth saying - if you go for battery storage, then like cars - the batteries will wear out.
I remember watching a TV programme in the 80s and it said in the year 2000 electricity would be generated so cheaply it would not even be metered.
Sometimes I am glad I live in a small house, with no great overheads where my electricity and gas is less than £120 a month pre-increase.
Get a wood burner with back boilers. Burn anything you can. My parents did this in the 70s (then in the 90s got told to stop!
I remember watching a TV programme in the 80s and it said in the year 2000 electricity would be generated so cheaply it would not even be metered.
Sometimes I am glad I live in a small house, with no great overheads where my electricity and gas is less than £120 a month pre-increase.
Get a wood burner with back boilers. Burn anything you can. My parents did this in the 70s (then in the 90s got told to stop!
For most folk heating tech is something they very rarely buy and they expect it to last. Plenty buy a house and keep whatever was in there for decades.
My plumber advised me to keep my 30 year old oil boiler in my home as the newer ones are far less reliable. He gets far, far more callouts to modern heating systems versus older ones.
In my old flat I installed a new pressurised hot water tank, replacing a gravity fed one that was 25 years old and had never failed in the 12 years I lived there. Both hot rods failed in the new tank within 5 years - these things used to last decades. The rods were specific to that brand of tank - not like the standardised ones most people have that have stood the test of time. What had failed was the backup thermostats attached to each rod. Usual story- some tiny subcomponent bought for pence.
I have numerous examples like this of modern time clocks/ thermostats/ hot rods failing in the properties I manage.
Solar/ battery/ wind all sounds great but realistically, you have no idea how long it will last.
I looked into a commercial wind turbine years ago, I think the cost was 250k. As the topography of the site was not perfect, investment funds weren't interested so I was faced with funding the capex myself. The financial returns produced by "experts" on a computer looked good.
But when I asked "will this thing still spin and generate electricity in 20 years time ?" there was no answer. Who makes spare parts ? How long has this thing been in manufacture ? Which companies repair them ? Will folk make spares in 20 years time ?
If you own 100 of them, you can take a view, spread the risk. But what if you own just one ?
Adjacent farmers installed 4 wind turbines on totally open land, well away from buildings. These will have been funded by investment funds where farmers take rents for leasing the land. The investment fund gets the planning, funds the purchase ......
One of them is repeatedly going wrong. The other three seem OK.
Whoever buys this new tech is taking a gamble. Roll the dice if you wish. In the short term the returns may look good. But there is great uncertainty once you get a few years out - and it is hard to get meaningful warranty cover three years out let alone 20
My plumber advised me to keep my 30 year old oil boiler in my home as the newer ones are far less reliable. He gets far, far more callouts to modern heating systems versus older ones.
In my old flat I installed a new pressurised hot water tank, replacing a gravity fed one that was 25 years old and had never failed in the 12 years I lived there. Both hot rods failed in the new tank within 5 years - these things used to last decades. The rods were specific to that brand of tank - not like the standardised ones most people have that have stood the test of time. What had failed was the backup thermostats attached to each rod. Usual story- some tiny subcomponent bought for pence.
I have numerous examples like this of modern time clocks/ thermostats/ hot rods failing in the properties I manage.
Solar/ battery/ wind all sounds great but realistically, you have no idea how long it will last.
I looked into a commercial wind turbine years ago, I think the cost was 250k. As the topography of the site was not perfect, investment funds weren't interested so I was faced with funding the capex myself. The financial returns produced by "experts" on a computer looked good.
But when I asked "will this thing still spin and generate electricity in 20 years time ?" there was no answer. Who makes spare parts ? How long has this thing been in manufacture ? Which companies repair them ? Will folk make spares in 20 years time ?
If you own 100 of them, you can take a view, spread the risk. But what if you own just one ?
Adjacent farmers installed 4 wind turbines on totally open land, well away from buildings. These will have been funded by investment funds where farmers take rents for leasing the land. The investment fund gets the planning, funds the purchase ......
One of them is repeatedly going wrong. The other three seem OK.
Whoever buys this new tech is taking a gamble. Roll the dice if you wish. In the short term the returns may look good. But there is great uncertainty once you get a few years out - and it is hard to get meaningful warranty cover three years out let alone 20
We have an old immersion hot water tank that was fine for years found an element that lasts now but the thermostat rods just don’t last before they let the water get too hot and start resetting obviously costing you money heating it too much before you realise
Luckily I can change them for pounds but feel for people who have to pay to get it fixed, absolute crap now.
So glad I changed an oil burning stove to a multi fuel stove a few years ago, free logs and anthracite has saved me a small fortune and worth the hassle.
Would have been great for it to heat the hot water but that would have been a nightmare to install nicely here
Should have built nuclear power stations, an MP from Wales has just gone to the states to try and get an American company involved in building one in Anglesey. Japs pulled out of it recently.
Solar systems are not new technology. Panels themselves have been commercially made since 1881 but the current technology was patented in 1941 and in production since 1954. They have gone on an evolution but buy from a reputable seller and not cheap knockoff stuff and you will get as good a warranty as anything else we buy these days.
Inverter technology is also not new. Again, but something that is a reputable company and it will have a warranty.
I have SolarEdge Optimised system so each panel has an optimiser attached to the back. That is newish technology but if one fails, I can see it in the inverter or app.
Paying itself back is like asking all pricing elements to freeze for 10-15 years. Everything in that area become a prediction, bet or hedging. I am predicted to pay more than double for electricity this year.
My array is expected to half this cost but as @Lecari family has done, I am moving to the Tesla Tariff and will reduce my unit cost to £0.115 import and export. Paying it all off much quicker.
Your house will use a different amount of energy. You will have a different number of panels. You may have a larger or smaller inverter. You may have a larger or smaller battery.
If the worst thing happens and energy supply is disrupted or too expensive, then my log burners will heat some rooms. But my solar will be running my house on a good day and letting me play pinball.
You been out with the JCB again Russ??
Was not me I swearYou been out with the JCB again Russ??
Oh Russ. That is another complex topic with so many variations.
Yes, I have looked into it.
Ground source heat pumps requires a fair amount of ground and digging out. They benefit from a more consistent temperature at the depth they operate at. Therefore in the winter when you want them to heat, they still operate.
Air sourced heat pumps do not need digging and now appeared in air conditioning systems. They can be effected by very low outside temperature, less efficient.
Both systems still require electricity which is 4x more expensive a unit than gas.
Then how passive is your house? How much heat do you lose through the walls, windows and roof. Newer builds are better than our old housing stock.
Heat pumps don’t radiate as much heat so if you are losing heat, you may never get to your desired temperature.
Are you retro fitting to existing radiators? Are they the right bore for the system.
And then you are going to ask when it will repay itself.
My house is Edwardian. Roof is now up to spec. Every room is being insulated on the inside. Under suspended floors on the ground will be insulated. I am looking to use an air sourced heat pump integrated with my boiler in the future if I can find someone who has done that and is certified.
Yes, I have looked into it.
Ground source heat pumps requires a fair amount of ground and digging out. They benefit from a more consistent temperature at the depth they operate at. Therefore in the winter when you want them to heat, they still operate.
Air sourced heat pumps do not need digging and now appeared in air conditioning systems. They can be effected by very low outside temperature, less efficient.
Both systems still require electricity which is 4x more expensive a unit than gas.
Then how passive is your house? How much heat do you lose through the walls, windows and roof. Newer builds are better than our old housing stock.
Heat pumps don’t radiate as much heat so if you are losing heat, you may never get to your desired temperature.
Are you retro fitting to existing radiators? Are they the right bore for the system.
And then you are going to ask when it will repay itself
. My house is Edwardian. Roof is now up to spec. Every room is being insulated on the inside. Under suspended floors on the ground will be insulated. I am looking to use an air sourced heat pump integrated with my boiler in the future if I can find someone who has done that and is certified.
Iv been reading this as I’m with octopus as i find them quite good.Oh Russ. That is another complex topic with so many variations.
Yes, I have looked into it.
Ground source heat pumps requires a fair amount of ground and digging out. They benefit from a more consistent temperature at the depth they operate at. Therefore in the winter when you want them to heat, they still operate.
Air sourced heat pumps do not need digging and now appeared in air conditioning systems. They can be effected by very low outside temperature, less efficient.
Both systems still require electricity which is 4x more expensive a unit than gas.
Then how passive is your house? How much heat do you lose through the walls, windows and roof. Newer builds are better than our old housing stock.
Heat pumps don’t radiate as much heat so if you are losing heat, you may never get to your desired temperature.
Are you retro fitting to existing radiators? Are they the right bore for the system.
And then you are going to ask when it will repay itself
My house is Edwardian. Roof is now up to spec. Every room is being insulated on the inside. Under suspended floors on the ground will be insulated. I am looking to use an air sourced heat pump integrated with my boiler in the future if I can find someone who has done that and is certified.
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Seems like the tech had a little way to go as they are HUGE and still quite pricey but sounds like they will drop in price sooner then later and is some 5k gov grant you can get as well which is a nice incentive.
Our house is well insulated we have only need heating on few hours a day to keep it at a nice temp so think these would work well. I’d want it mostly powered via solar though? So could just scrap gas completely.
I think it would be super cool to be completely off grid but not sure the tech is quite there yet or would just cost to much to set up. But even 80% self sufficient would be nice
You need to watch the videos of the folks completely off grid and then decide if you can make those sorts of sacrifices.
And have water turbines, wind turbines and solar.
And have water turbines, wind turbines and solar.
For clarity. Heat pumps need electricity and there you will need to generate more electricity. But you want more heating at the times of year that there is a lot less sun.