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Clearly Pinball Info doesn't support UK Pinball Businesses

Tilt_Birmingham

Tilt_Birmingham

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Twice had my posts deleted in last couple months- without anyone sending a message why they were deleted

Seems if you not willing to offer some cash to grease the wheels you can't post freely

Disgusting really

Had a couple text me saying my post had been deleted before they could share it

Shame @Paul and his bunch of merry men

For anyone seeing this it was just a post saying Tilt is trade is slow so having to push the t-shirts again
 
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Have to say that's a real shame if true and not an auto-moderator accident. Tilt does so much for the UK scene, introducing new people to pinball and also giving many of us our only opportunity to try new games apart from buying NIB.

I've put a few orders in for merch and beers over the past twelve months as I haven't been able to make it for a visit because of the pandemic - shouldn't we be trying to support the limited number of locations that we have? I can't see anything wrong with a post letting us know the situation and that merch is back up for sale.
 
I'm sure everyone on here wants Tilt and other pinball venues to survive.

If we don't support them, they will case to exist. And unless you're one of the lucky few with the space and money to buy every new release, they're the best chance to play new machines.
 
Sgt GrizZ said:
Maybe first ask an Admin if there is an issue - I’ll bet there isn’t and there is some simple explanation - before posting a combative public message. Just a thought.
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The post was there for a good hour and someone replied on the thread... Its clearly been deleted no ifs or buts about it

I've always looked after forum members that come to Tilt when I've been here, either a free drink here or there or a free credit if I have a game with them

I also arrange to meet potential new buyers to the hobby for @philpalmer and discuss the machines and help guide them and answer their questions
 
Rules apply to one and all. It's NOT FAIR or right on those who have contributed for the same right. Same applies to you - you are no different.
You also circumvented this on purpose as you posted it in the general forum.

So yes - i did delete it. And you are lucky that i didnt delete your account too (as per the rules).

How would you like it if i walked into your pub and helped myself to a pint?? I'm sure you wouldnt be very happy about it...

You KNOW the rules, and you have decided to ignore them for your own ends, also alienating all the others that have contributed.

I am more than happy to support Tilt, however much like this forum it doesnt pay for itself.... if i came in i would expoect to pay for a pint - if you post on here sales i would like to expect you for some common decency and for you to contribute for the priviledge.

AND even when you are complaining about it, you still try to circumvent the rules!! Unbelieveable!

Times are hard, Forum Contributions are down. You dont see me in your pub leaving flyers about uninvited.....
 
Fubar said:
Maybe UK pinball businesses should be given automatic Site Supporter status, on the basis that they contribute to our community.

Of course, that means HLD & co would also get it... 🤪
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Doesn't line @Paul pockets then does it...

Many venues in the UK do a lot for this community, all of my staff are told to point people in the direction of the forum to find out about events or need help generally
They are told to point people in the direction of @Pick Holder for repairs and @philpalmer for machines....

Maybe I should be asking for contributions for that as well... or do it for the good of the hobby as more people you introduce the better the hobby gets and grows

@Paul helps if communicate with members when deleting posts...
 
Fubar said:
Maybe UK pinball businesses should be given automatic Site Supporter status, on the basis that they contribute to our community.

Of course, that means HLD & co would also get it... 🤪
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Ok, think we need a half like button for this post!

@Paul - some forums have a mechanism via which users can buy each other rewards / supporter status etc. Is that possible with the software you use? If so it could be good for both the forum and UK businesses which do so much to support the community.
 
Tilt_Birmingham said:
Doesn't line @Paul pockets then does it...

Many venues in the UK do a lot for this community, all of my staff are told to point people in the direction of the forum to find out about events or need help generally
They are told to point people in the direction of @Pick Holder for repairs and @philpalmer for machines....

Maybe I should be asking for contributions for that as well... or do it for the good of the hobby as more people you introduce the better the hobby gets and grows

@Paul helps if communicate with members when deleting posts...
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I run this place for the community... however i cannot afford personally the thousands of pounds each year to keep this place running.. i did for the first few of years, however it's an unsustainable model. I will not fill this place with Ads such as google and adsense and sell it's soul. So some revenue has to come from somewhere. In fact - This contribution was done primarilly to provide a trail in case of any disputes (for example, people getting ripped off). If the police come insisting for information i can at least provide them with something (thought they would need to do something officially as it's not ever info i would just hand over without an official request in place).

This place exists because of it's members and the love of the hobby. If it didnt then i would just go home and do other things more exciting. No-one gets paid for running this place... and i have a list of things i need to do longer than both my arms!

Why would i need to communicate something that has obviously been done on purpose, as i said before, alienating those members that have contributed in these hard times. There have been MANY others, many people, that havnt realised and have been very apologetic and contributed - it's not like it's a kings ransome that is being asked, and i dont see it changing anytime soon!

Please take a read of this, lifted directly from the site T&C's which you have agreed to :

In the area of enforcement of the rules, the Pinballinfo Team are judge, jury, and executioner. Their decisions are not open for debate, and this is not a democracy. The moderators/admins are NOT to be mocked, ridiculed, called out on or questioned in the public discussion forums. Our moderation (in general) is NOT up for public discussion or to be questioned either. If you have issues with any member of the Pinballinfo Team, take it up in an email or PM.
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So if you need me to be abundantly clear, please carry on and it will see you Banned.

I completely get where you are coming from, and what you are doing.... and yes, pinball havens should be supported, however maybe if you had come to me asking (and others have done this before with no issues!) then there wouldnt have been a problem. Just thinking you can barge in and do what you like doesnt work here i'm afraid.
 
Maybe I’m being a little dim but why would you not just pay the £10 to be a ‘site supporter’. If a post on here will lead to X number of sales then just build the £10 into your product cost as it’s giving you access to a market

In Paul’s defence the rules have been clear for a while and giving A B or C special status that they are exempt is a slippery slope to arguments over who deserves this status. In a hobby where pins cost thousands £10 is a drop in the ocean

Ps - the same as when you sold the face masks ill happily buy a couple to support you in these tough times
 
Tilt_Birmingham said:
Doesn't line @Paul pockets then does it...
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I'm not sure Paul is lining his pockets with the modest contributions and high run costs. But a bit odd to moan about lining pockets when you are trying to line your own pockets.

Reach out to Paul directly and work something out - I don't think it's asking too much to be a site supporter in exchange to be able to sell your wares. Everyone else does it and not just on PI...
 
I have always been put off by being a site supporter because it was always encourage to donate after every machine sale and another forum member pointing out that in one year there had been over £5000 in donations (funnily after which the donations page cleared and never gets populated now 🙄)

I'd have no objections to @Paul openly saying he making some wedge off the back of this, but its always been sold on the basis its only just covering costs which its clearly exceeding.

I was once called out for the pricing of our crazy craft beer imports and I invited the person back to Tilt and I went openly went through the pricing and he apologised and now one our best customers.
 
Honestly I see both sides of the argument here. Happy to pay an extra £10 to promote Tilt to site supporter If that helps? Consider it a donation to the Pinball community.

Been watching a lot of documentaries recently and its sad to see how little of the Pinball scene there is left in the UK.

Not trying to rock the boat, just trying to help.

Scott
 
I'm not trying to rock the boat

I just feel it was uncalled for the post to be deleted... @Paul could have messaged me and said would you mind paying the £10 and I probably would have... Sometimes its about how things are done

I'm just trying to be proactive as a employer and pinball location to ensure the survival of Tilt not only for people to play pinball in the wild, encourage new people into the hobby but also ensure my lads have jobs when all this is over
 
Tilt_Birmingham said:
I have always been put off by being a site supporter because it was always encourage to donate after every machine sale and another forum member pointing out that in one year there had been over £5000 in donations (funnily after which the donations page cleared and never gets populated now 🙄)
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£5k??!?!! I bloody wish!!!!! :rofl: :rofl:

£500 maybe, however the forum has never "made" £5k!!!
 
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Tilt_Birmingham said:
Sometimes its about how things are done
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Yup - Certainly is Kirk.... it certainly is...!!!

Just to draw attention to something here - something that was posted a few days ago....

https://www.pinballinfo.com/communi...e-machines-for-sale-wanted-trade-forum.49704/
https://www.pinballinfo.com/communi...-the-parts-for-sale-wanted-trade-forum.49705/

This was done specifically because, and rightfully so, people were unclear as to how to post in those forums.

Personally i dont think the equivalent of 83p a month is too bad a deal... Ive paid more for a coffee. If you dont want to sell anything then it costs a grand total of £0 (unless you want to support out of the goodness of your heart that is!)
And as i have said many times before... If you wish to make a donation after selling a £5k machine to support the site, it is most certainly welcome, and you should get that warm comfy feeling in the depths of your belly knowing that you have done a massive bit to keep the site running.

Tilt_Birmingham said:
I'd have no objections to @Paul openly saying he making some wedge off the back of this, but its always been sold on the basis its only just covering costs which its clearly exceeding.
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I chipped in to pay the server fees again this year..... please feel free to apologise when you obviously dont know what you are talking about...
 
This is a really testing and frustrating time, especially for businesses like Kirks.

This pandemic is causing untold damage to, lives, mental health, wellbeing and business.

Let's all just take a deep breath and try and work things out instead of flying off the handle.
 
Tilt_Birmingham said:
I'm not trying to rock the boat

I just feel it was uncalled for the post to be deleted... @Paul could have messaged me and said would you mind paying the £10 and I probably would have... Sometimes its about how things are done

I'm just trying to be proactive as a employer and pinball location to ensure the survival of Tilt not only for people to play pinball in the wild, encourage new people into the hobby but also ensure my lads have jobs when all this is over
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Then pay the £10 to have an ability to post for the year. It's not a lot is it? Especially since you'll be making a profit from it. Or don't - it's your choice. Not sure why you would choose to want to do something that costs money, and then complain about it costing money. And all over £10 for something that will provide you profit? I suspect you will lose revenue as a result of this approach.
 
Big Phil said:
This is a really testing and frustrating time, especially for businesses like Kirks.

This pandemic is causing untold damage to, lives, mental health, wellbeing and business.

Let's all just take a deep breath and try and work things out instead of flying off the handle.
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A lot of people whom have worked or been furlough will never know the damage this has caused to business owners and self employed people

Its been one of the most trying year of my life

MartinY said:
Then pay the £10 to have an ability to post for the year. It's not a lot is it? Especially since you'll be making a profit from it. Or don't - it's your choice. Not sure why you would choose to want to do something that costs money, and then complain about it costing money. And all over £10 for something that will provide you profit? I suspect you will lose revenue as a result of this approach.
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I doubt I will lose revenue, as I've said time and again I get maybe one forum member come to Tilt a month...

I've never depended on the the community for my customers, we have developed our own pinball community in Birmingham. Doesn't mean I keep everyone informed about new machine incoming or the availability of decent pinhead tee's

Ultimately my business has always been a craft beer bar, that accounts for over 95% of my annual takings... Pinball wouldn't even cover my monthly business rates.

Its commercially unviable to be a coin drop location in the UK thats why I built my business model how I have to be none dependant on pinball.
Paul said:
I chipped in to pay the server fees again this year..... please feel free to apologise when you obviously dont know what you are talking about...
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I apologise but I still feel you could have handled it better by sending me a message
 
I’m offended by the title of this thread - it was only a small gesture but a while back I bought two T-shirt’s as my small way of helping as I had read that any purchase was helping Tilt stay open.
I’ve just recently bought 3 masks for the same reason. No song and dance, just a small contribution to do the exact opposite of what the title of this thread suggests.
For the sake of £10 this thread is a joke.
Give some support and get some support back maybe??


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I understand that people get frustrated during these difficult times. I appreciate people want less moderating or more moderating or moderation of this and not that.
It has been my quest to get us all to pause and consider if what we are about to post is going to start a fight that we don't really want or need. Can I highlight that there has been a lot of assumptions made by the OP and stated as facts that are not entirely correct.
For starter, we have been described as Merry Men and anyone who has met us should know that the site admins are often far from merry, especially this last 6 months. Based on the lack of pension, we are going to be even more grumpy now.
 
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