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Those costs are a bit expensive! What would entice me is if I could take £1 in, drop it in a machine and get replays and then maybe stay there for 3 hours for 3-5£, all depending how brutal they are setup and if they're not bolted to the ground like some places.
He's already struggling to make rent on the two units, even at those prices :(

Location pinball doesn't make money.

The only places that don't cost a £10+ are either using food/drinks as a loss leader (Tilt) or using other arcade machines as a loss leader (and usually have a small selection of pins).

Getting political, the rent is too DAAAMNNNN high! :'( The only reason Pinball Republic (in Croydon) has a city-centre location/location-at-all is because the Centrale/Whitgrif shopping centres are near derelict due to years of shenanigans by the company who run Westfield.
 
Yeah tell me about it, my rent just got put up too, I will have to move out somewhere cheaper!

It's understandable, rent is much higher that way anyway plus the JJPs aren't cheap to buy. Just all in all a mission and cost for me to go pinballing for 3hr.
 
Played this a couple of times last night, it's a stonking game. Far better than EJ, PF and TBL that I also played. Without a doubt JJP's best game to date and yes I've played all the others...

I really wish I could get excited about this game.
 
Avatar has been getting a good workout at the UK Open this weekend, in the social room outside the competition hall. I’ve only had a couple of pretty short games on it, but from what I’ve seen it is good. Several of the shots are pretty satisfying to hit. There are a couple of tech niggles (don’t know exactly what, but the top lower playfield isn’t working properly) but it has been getting played non-stop.

Only criticism is that coming to it new, I do think it is extremely difficult to see what you need to shoot because of the JJP overabundance of rainbow LED. When everything is lit all the time, it does make it hard to pick a shot. I’m sure it would make more sense with a bit more play.
 
I played it a couple of times and enjoyed it a lot more than the others in the free-to-play lineup (Elton John and Godzilla). Good luck to JJ and hope it’s a success.
 
I played it a couple of times and enjoyed it a lot more than the others in the free-to-play lineup (Elton John and Godzilla). Good luck to JJ and hope it’s a success.
The crocodile shot on Elton stopped registering at some point today, so even though it still “works” it is pretty much unplayable 😬
 
Neither Avatar or Elton John did it for me. It’s probably unfair to base any opinion on just a few plays.

Also any game you can’t hear is going to be at a disadvantage.

EJ looked poor. I just didn’t like visuals of it. It felt like I was just randomly flailing with no obvious progression.

Avatar looked far more impressive. I still had no idea what to do but it gives up its multiball ridiculous easily. First plunge locked a ball. Second plunge did the same. I hadn’t even used a flipper and I was already one shot away from a multiball. The underplayfield already being broken also isn’t reassuring given the insanely high price point.
 
Neither Avatar or Elton John did it for me. It’s probably unfair to base any opinion on just a few plays.

Also any game you can’t hear is going to be at a disadvantage.

EJ looked poor. I just didn’t like visuals of it. It felt like I was just randomly flailing with no obvious progression.

Avatar looked far more impressive. I still had no idea what to do but it gives up its multiball ridiculous easily. First plunge locked a ball. Second plunge did the same. I hadn’t even used a flipper and I was already one shot away from a multiball. The underplayfield already being broken also isn’t reassuring given the insanely high price point.
That’s pretty damning. Notwithstanding the technical issues which would worry me if I was forking out that kind of money, I don’t like games where you don’t have to work for multiball. Hope JJP get these issues sorted.
 
I wouldn’t be too worried about the technical based on this, it is a brand new game which has been getting hammered so probably just needs a tune-up.
 
Next, obvious question, what’s the best tactic? :)

Not as if I’m good enough to play it, or anything, but it’s worth the know!
I want to take Banshee or whatever the loop mode is into either MB points are massive.
You can also play Navi, most shots are lit from lighting the rollovers and then making a **** so you d9nt have to hit the stand ups.
That then opens up wizard mode which is way more valuable than grinding out MBs.

I played against Viggo and Arvid with this strategy a couple of years ago and was close to beating both of them. When they're clearly better players.

The issue is people see a top player blow up a machine using a certain strategy, and then repeat it in comp themselves, which more people see etc. almost as if it goes viral. Blocking out all other strategies.
One of the reasons I've been as successful as I have been is by not following the same strategy as.everyone else, having worked out a better strategy myself.
 
I want to take Banshee or whatever the loop mode is into either MB points are massive.
You can also play Navi, most shots are lit from lighting the rollovers and then making a **** so you d9nt have to hit the stand ups.
That then opens up wizard mode which is way more valuable than grinding out MBs.

I played against Viggo and Arvid with this strategy a couple of years ago and was close to beating both of them. When they're clearly better players.

The issue is people see a top player blow up a machine using a certain strategy, and then repeat it in comp themselves, which more people see etc. almost as if it goes viral. Blocking out all other strategies.
One of the reasons I've been as successful as I have been is by not following the same strategy as.everyone else, having worked out a better strategy myself.
This is super-interesting!!! Way more interesting than I ever imagined :)

We’ve been playing for a couple of years and I’ve only just got to the point of not (always) flailing the ball around in a blind panic, and knowing some rules. So, generally, we (mostly me) have a bunch of popular ‘hacks’ for grinding out a non-zero score that someone has been kind enough to teach us. From what you’re saying that, presumably, means a strategy that originated at some point with a top player in tournament.

Interestingly, my best score (I think) in the UK Open came from a strategy taught to me by my seven-year-old son, which he’d picked up by playing casually in PBR.

I’ll give Stern Avatar another chance. I did have a go with the ‘lanes, multiplier, multiball’ approach on the PBR Avatar a weekend ago.

Neither Avatar or Elton John did it for me. It’s probably unfair to base any opinion on just a few plays.

Also any game you can’t hear is going to be at a disadvantage.

EJ looked poor. I just didn’t like visuals of it. It felt like I was just randomly flailing with no obvious progression

EJ has a really weird ruleset for a modern machine. I can see why it was going to be in the comp because it’s utterly counter-intuitive if you’re used to modern Sterns. Even now, we’re still working out the subtle details of how you get better scores playing certain songs/combinations of shots than others.

Avatar looked far more impressive. I still had no idea what to do but it gives up its multiball ridiculous easily. First plunge locked a ball. Second plunge did the same. I hadn’t even used a flipper and I was already one shot away from a multiball. The underplayfield already being broken also isn’t reassuring given the insanely high price point.

As with modern Sterns, the latest JJPs now seem to have a low-scoring ‘n00bs multiball’ and then other multiballs that are more lucrative, but which you have to work at.

I thought JJP Avatar was beautiful, was smooth to shoot, and had an interesting layout with the six flippers, but I simply couldn’t work out on three plays what was happening with the ruleset beyond starting ‘n00b multiball’, and collecting stuff at the standup targets to begin a mode/unlock the lower playfield (JJPs are big on ‘collect X stuff to start a thing’). I got the crab mech suit battle going at the lower playfield, which I’d obviously had to unlock by hitting the standups, and then I started a battle (mode?) somehow, but - to be honest - I’m not sure how.

I think, if you love the theme (of the second movie), you’re not going to be disappointed with Avatar, but - to me - it didn’t have the ‘lightning in a bottle’ feel of EJ, a classic flowy Steve Ritchie layout complemented by JJP light/sounds. It was just a decent pin.
 
From what you’re saying that, presumably, means a strategy that originated at some point with a top player in tournament.
Regarding Avatar. If by "top player" you mean me, and by "tournament" you mean me putting hours and hours of practice at home then yes, if not - no.

Or are you talking about people copying a strategy a top player has been successful with once, and it then going 'viral'.
 
Regarding Avatar. If by "top player" you mean me, and by "tournament" you mean me putting hours and hours of practice at home then yes, if not - no.

Or are you talking about people copying a strategy a top player has been successful with once, and it then going 'viral'.
The latter, I assume, but I don't honestly know.

It was advice I received for Avatar while playing in PBR Thursday night league. I'd no idea how to approach the game and was struggling to crack a million (in my defence, I'd first played any pinball machine, at all, ever, less than a year earlier). I later watched a PAPA tutorial video that also showed how LINK and Amp multiballs stack, so I've just carried on doing that, assuming - as I got better at pinball - I would become better at reliably stacking multiballs (but the game would remain equally dull to play).

It’s really REALLY interesting to learn from you and others that this ‘multiball-stack’ strategy isn’t a dead cert thing, like how you have to learn opening theory to play competitively in chess (I hate chess), but more a matter of opinion… 😊

Thanks 😀
 
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I later watched a PAPA tutorial video that also showed how LINK and Amp multiballs stack, so I've just carried on doing that
IMO the wrong strategy. I always play one MB and whilst in that work towards the other. This way you should be in MB most of the time rather than have both end together. I do the same on Spider-Man.
 
I want to take Banshee or whatever the loop mode is into either MB points are massive.
You can also play Navi, most shots are lit from lighting the rollovers and then making a **** so you d9nt have to hit the stand ups.
That then opens up wizard mode which is way more valuable than grinding out MBs.

I played against Viggo and Arvid with this strategy a couple of years ago and was close to beating both of them. When they're clearly better players.

The issue is people see a top player blow up a machine using a certain strategy, and then repeat it in comp themselves, which more people see etc. almost as if it goes viral. Blocking out all other strategies.
One of the reasons I've been as successful as I have been is by not following the same strategy as.everyone else, having worked out a better strategy myself.
Are you talking jjp avatar or stern avatar ?
 
Are you talking jjp avatar or stern avatar ?
Stern.

Unless I'm wrong (?), I don't think anyone's played enough of JJP Avatar to have a strong view on the rules. Although, given it was in the foyer of an international pinball competition all weekend, someone might by now.
 
Stern.

Unless I'm wrong (?), I don't think anyone's played enough of JJP Avatar to have a strong view on the rules. Although, given it was in the foyer of an international pinball competition all weekend, someone might by now.

I was going out for a break, and joined as P4 in a game on it for a laugh. All having our first go on it. Over an hour later it still wasn't finished (and there were still extra balls to be played). Might be a good game to have at home and play on your own - we enjoyed having The Hobbit a few years ago, but it feels like a 'bad game' is going to be very long and a 'good game' is going to take forever.
 
I was going out for a break, and joined as P4 in a game on it for a laugh. All having our first go on it. Over an hour later it still wasn't finished (and there were still extra balls to be played). Might be a good game to have at home and play on your own - we enjoyed having The Hobbit a few years ago, but it feels like a 'bad game' is going to be very long and a 'good game' is going to take forever.

I had The Hobbit and I had to sell it for that very reason, the ball times were just stupidly long and I am an average player at best.

I am hoping they can sort that in the code for Avatar.

I like it that they are trying to tell a story that you play though.
 
Back on track, the JJP Avatar looks nice enough but I think the code needs quite a bit of fleshing out. Also the relatively common call out of "use the flippers" is not only odd but annoying
Some of the callouts were just weird. There was a lot of a synthetic-sounding female Navi voice repeating, over and over, "shoot the [something I didn't understand where it was] to start [some mode I didn't know]".
 
Back on track, the JJP Avatar looks nice enough but I think the code needs quite a bit of fleshing out. Also the relatively common call out of "use the flippers" is not only odd but annoying
I commented on that too, hope that gets ditched soon. Similarly I did appreciate the little automatic “upper flipper wiggle” in my first game to tell me where to look when I had no idea which hole the ball was going to come out of, but that too might get annoying by game 250
 
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