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www.fact-uk.org.uk

Pub Directors & Licensees Ordered to Pay a Record £327,405 for Illegal Sky Use

Following a successful prosecution by FACT, the licensees and company directors responsible for the running of the Prince of Wales in Stafford, the Beaufort Arms in Birmingham and the Pheasant Inn in Wolverhampton have been convicted of 64 offences and ordered to pay a combined total of £327,405...
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A paper I read last year - From Imperial College (smart uni with smart people)

A Glance through the VPN Looking Glass: IPv6 Leakage and DNS Hijacking in Commercial VPN clients


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Neil


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Yes I understand the argument for corporate vpn's but what about home use?

I have no interest in downloading illegal moves/ content or watching sky sports for free so is there any other reason to have one at home??

I have a tv licence although I don't watch the BBC, which is annoying, but legal IPTV services charge about £8 a month as opposed to virgin of say £50 a month.
 
Neil McRae said:
No you don’t but the court summons you get shortly after can be a pain in the backside!


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Simply not true Neil. You don't go to court for not not opening your door. You have to sign a form admitting to watching live broadcasts, then you will goto court.
 
mission65 said:
A lot of fake news here, please post a British viewer who has been taken to court and prosecuted,
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It really isn't fake news, though the chances of any individual watcher being prosecuted is minimal.

There has been a lot of activity, from the fairly useless ISP 'cease and desist' letters (now abandoned); the more effective (from a scaring people to pay up) legal firm's letter 'pay up or we'll prosecute you for porn downloading' which also went on to point out that once court action was initiated both the offence and name would be public; through to convictions for streaming stuff illegally such as https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47650835


If you want IPTV then you have lots of options - BBC/CH4/ITV all have full-on streaming sites offering their content for free.

Netflix/Amazon Prime have subscriptions. Sky/BT have Apps you can use to get Films/Sport and NowTV offers daily options.

The problem is when you want the extra stuff without paying for it.

That's your decision and in many cases in the end you spend ages stream hopping as things get shut down, you often get **** quality , a lot of inconvenience (like routing through VPNs), risk viruses from dodgy downloaded software and infected websites and on top of that you accept the (albeit very small) risk that someone may catch you and threaten to prosecute. Your call.
 
The FACT prosecution was for illegal sky, I don't think I've heard of anyone being prosecuted for downloading torrents.
 
Tucks said:
Yes I understand the argument for corporate vpn's but what about home use?
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Well, you can VPN back to your home router to secure your traffic to stop it being spied on in that first part of the IP chain. Most routers have this option and it means that you can more safely use public Wifi.

It is best never use any public Wifi without a VPN. The hotspot owner just gets too much info and you have absolutely no way of knowing if the hotspot which is named "BT Wifi" or "Starbucks" is theirs, or if it is a honeypot wifi setup but someone with dodgy intent.

Some apps still send data in the clear, without fully encrypting it - anyone in the IP chain can see that. For example, if you use POP3 email on the standard port (not the TLS one) then your email username AND password is sent unencrypted - anyone in the IP chain can see that and takeover your email.

When the IP traffic exits your house through your ISP, the onward IP route still has all the issues, but in practice that's less of a problem as most ISPs have process/procedures to stop people snooping on traffic for the sake of it and govt can't really bulk snoop any more just because they want to.

Of course, that doesn't help if there's an interception request served, or someone dodgy has hijacked the BGP and routed it via Russia, but if you're worrying about that on a daily basis, you probably should just stop using the internet entirely!
 
Arv said:
The FACT prosecution was for illegal sky, I don't think I've heard of anyone being prosecuted for downloading torrents.
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Simply downloading something or viewing a dodgy stream won't get you into trouble.

However, because of the technical way peer-to-peer torrents work, makes them an issue. To try to explain, no-one was prosecuted for buying a pirate DVD from a car boot sale, but those producing the bootlegs of DVDs and selling them were prosecuted.

Once you join the torrent network, your PC downloads the files but it also UPLOADS them to others. This takes you, in the eyes of the law (and more commonly those making the prosecution threats) from the purchaser, to the seller.
 
Arv said:
Simply not true Neil. You don't go to court for not not opening your door. You have to sign a form admitting to watching live broadcasts, then you will goto court.
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If the TV licensing folks have evidence that they then believe you are watching content thats covered under the TV licence they can start court proceedings, they don’t need you to admit it or open your door, I agree, although that’s clearly a help in a successful prosecution. Tv licensing folks don’t just randomly turn up at your door just for kicks.

Neil.


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Neil McRae said:
Tv licensing folks don’t just randomly turn up at your door just for kicks.
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Err, yes. They do! I've (legally) not been paying my licence for many years now. They send threatening letters about 'this property not having a licence' and 'an investigation is underway. Here's what to expect in court' every few weeks. (At a ridiculous cost to the licence payers incidentally). Roughly once a year I'll also get a knock on the door about wanting to inspect the property, which of course I kindly decline.

The licence fee collectors (Capita) are truly obnoxious. To the elderly or anyone less familiar with the fact that you only need a licence to watch live TV (or iPlayer) I can imagine they collect quite a few unnecessary licences with these threatening tactics.
 
Neil McRae said:
If the TV licensing folks have evidence that they then believe you are watching content thats covered under the TV licence they can start court proceedings, they don’t need you to admit it or open your door, I agree, although that’s clearly a help in a successful prosecution. Tv licensing folks don’t just randomly turn up at your door just for kicks.

Neil.


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And how do they procure said evidence?
 
cyberkryten said:
Simply downloading something or viewing a dodgy stream won't get you into trouble.

However, because of the technical way peer-to-peer torrents work, makes them an issue. To try to explain, no-one was prosecuted for buying a pirate DVD from a car boot sale, but those producing the bootlegs of DVDs and selling them were prosecuted.

Once you join the torrent network, your PC downloads the files but it also UPLOADS them to others. This takes you, in the eyes of the law (and more commonly those making the prosecution threats) from the purchaser, to the seller.
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Agreed but as I said before I know of no one fined for downloading torrents. Back in the days of glftpd you had big takedowns but not individuals.
 
I pay Virgin (and indirectly Sky) for my content.
I also pay Netflix and Amazon for my content.

I just object to having to pay a TV licence for a "State" Broadcaster - the number of times i watch the BBC each year i can count on one hand.

The fact that they will soon have the rights to send these people around to effectively "terrorise" many 75+ year olds soon i think is just downright disgusting.

The BBC stated last time around that "many over-75s were increasingly wealthy and it could not afford the cost of providing them with a service for free". Interestingly as far as i was aware, the Government subsidizes the bbc for this.

So either they can be subsidised by the Government, or they stand on their own feet and licence content to others.

I have no sympathy for them, and for one can't wait until they no longer are able to fleece the public.
 
They have gone for the oaps due to the younger generation not being fearful of the license inspector. Easy targets in their book.
 
The TV licence will eventually go. My kids, aged 12, do not watch tv. They watch you tube and Netflix on their phones and tablets and that's about it. Youngsters just don't watch TV like we do.

It's just a matter of time. I resent the licence fee because I don't want or watch BBC.
 
Tucks said:
The TV licence will eventually go. My kids, aged 12, do not watch tv. They watch you tube and Netflix on their phones and tablets and that's about it. Youngsters just don't watch TV like we do.

It's just a matter of time. I resent the licence fee because I don't want or watch BBC.
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I agree - its time it went now in my view but not looking forward to adverts on Radio 5 Live.
 
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Arv said:
They have gone for the oaps due to the younger generation not being fearful of the license inspector. Easy targets in their book.
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probably most likely that its because the OAPS have money...
 
Wizcat said:
Err, yes. They do! I've (legally) not been paying my licence for many years now. They send threatening letters about 'this property not having a licence' and 'an investigation is underway. Here's what to expect in court' every few weeks. (At a ridiculous cost to the licence payers incidentally). Roughly once a year I'll also get a knock on the door about wanting to inspect the property, which of course I kindly decline.

The licence fee collectors (Capita) are truly obnoxious. To the elderly or anyone less familiar with the fact that you only need a licence to watch live TV (or iPlayer) I can imagine they collect quite a few unnecessary licences with these threatening tactics.
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Well, my only experience of this is in a flat next to one of my properties the landlord of it ended up with a load of agro because someone shopped the former tenants who ended up being a cash in hand renter and he ended up paying a huge fine. I think his former tenants grassed him.

Neil.
 
Tucks said:
Yes I understand the argument for corporate vpn's but what about home use?

I have no interest in downloading illegal moves/ content or watching sky sports for free so is there any other reason to have one at home??

I have a tv licence although I don't watch the BBC, which is annoying, but legal IPTV services charge about £8 a month as opposed to virgin of say £50 a month.
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No reason for it. Idiots think it gives them some sort of privacy shield but sadly its not true.
 
As far as I'm aware your ISP can see your using a VPN if it's a common IP.
As for what your doing on it they cant.
The only way they can get to find out is for the VPN service to provide that information.
PIA I know dont share that info and have pulled out of countries that try to force them to provide it.
 
Arv said:
Sorry no none of the above.
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on the third one I agree (but how we laughed when you said it!)

They couldn't obtain evidence that you were watching content covered under the license by someone grassing you up or someone taking a picture of you watching the content (or more likely video or audio?)
 
Men in grey coats photgraphing through your window and placing microphones in your letterbox :rofl:
He just gets worse as the threads gets longer
Very Very silly man
 
Vimtoman said:
As far as I'm aware your ISP can see your using a VPN if it's a common IP.
As for what your doing on it they cant.
The only way they can get to find out is for the VPN service to provide that information.
PIA I know dont share that info and have pulled out of countries that try to force them to provide it.
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Luckily I'm a silly man, so I'm going to keep letting you drink from the kool-aid fountain you are drinking from, maybe ignorance is bliss.
 
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