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The OFFICIAL LICENSED 'moans about pricing' thread

I retrospect it's staggering Stern thought they could sell 500 Bond 60ths at such a high price, perhaps a hundred or so, but at 500 it's less exclusive than CSI

Then again the market was full of post Covid FOMO and Elwin was being hailed as the best thing to happen to pinball since flippers.

Overall I think it's a good thing for us they got their fingers burned, the last thing we want is more lifestyle brand investor nonsense.

Didn’t Bond 60 ‘sell out’ like Rush LE and Wick LE? I was under the impression it was the distributors who got screwed on this one but I could be wrong.
 
Didn’t Bond 60 ‘sell out’ like Rush LE and Wick LE? I was under the impression it was the distributors who got screwed on this one but I could be wrong.
Depends how you define 'sell out' I guess, I wouldn't call a game sold out if its available from distributors for a healthy discount.

Maybe Stern don't care, if they have passed on the loss, but I can't see distributors keen to sit on another $$$ game and customers who expected an investment, only to end up with the fastest depreciating games, even less so.
 
I guess another element to higher price LEs not moving is they just don’t feel special anymore.
Can blame Stern for that one.
Kinda like what Omega did with their plethora of limited and special edition watches.
 
Worst part about the present day is having to message people on Facebook regarding affordable pins and say in the most polite way possible, that's a lovely pin, I'll happily pay the going rate of £2000 under your asking price (which you probably bought it for in the last 18 months).

Sure way to get told **** you.
 
What I don’t get is the lack of budget NIB from these new manufacturers.

There seems to be a number of new companies, but they are just pricing themselves at the same level as a Stern Pro and most don’t even have any licensed themes. I think this is the wrong way to go about it and these companies will no doubt come and go.

I thought the makers of Super Hoops were on the right track (despite the terrible game), with a more budget NIB.
 
This is a really interesting video on secondhand prices in the States over the last year.


In summary, prices are on average 10% down in a year. Now I know this is the States and not a direct comparison to here, but I would say this is a sign and when (if?) the market gets going again, I think we will see similar decreases, although maybe we already have.
 
A few do seem to be moving, but in terms of a metric: the number of open For Sale adverts on here last June ('23) was 4 full pages long. As of March this year ('24) it had just reached 6 pages and now (May '24) it's at 6.5 pages. My interpretation of that is that people are still overpricing versus the market, so be careful what you pay :thumbs:
A quick update on my previous posts keeping track of the market. So the total number of for sale adverts is now (Mar '25) up to 9 pages long, and seeing as I've got nothing better to do, I totted up the combined asking price: £600,000! And that's not including the ones that dealers are selling in there!
 
This is a really interesting video on secondhand prices in the States over the last year.


In summary, prices are on average 10% down in a year. Now I know this is the States and not a direct comparison to here, but I would say this is a sign and when (if?) the market gets going again, I think we will see similar decreases, although maybe we already have.
I'd say we're down 10-20% already, atleast on the used market for machines older than 10 years.
 
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A quick update on my previous posts keeping track of the market. So the total number of for sale adverts is now (Mar '25) up to 9 pages long, and seeing as I've got nothing better to do, I totted up the combined asking price: £600,000! And that's not including the ones that dealers are selling in there!
It's fascinating, isn't it? In that time period, I've managed to trade one pin and sell another.

Everytime I list a pin, I keep expecting not to get anywhere selling due to the state of the market. It feels like people either aren't motivated to sell, or are no longer sure what pins are worth.
 
I have sold two games (The Mandalorian and Xenon) in the last 12 months. Lost a couple of hundred on The Mandalorian and wiped my face with Xenon.

I doubt anywhere near all of those For Sale posts are valid if they are over a few weeks old.
 
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