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For Sale Size Matters - new HD Pin2DMD 256x64 - Building again!
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Nice to see The Mafia at work
Nice to see The Mafia at work
Chinese Mafia this time. I'm hooked up with all the mobs.
For information, Stern SAM is indeed complex.
However, there has been some great progress: since Lucky released his 64 colors version, SAM colorization are fully supported through the PAL/FSQ file technique.
But very few have been converted to the new system
As far as I know, these are:
- World Poker Tour
- Family Guy
- Pirates of the Carribean
and that's it. All of them the work of vbobrusev
All other colorizations for Stern SAM are done using Pinball Browser, which is a PITA to use:
- Colorization is done using macros applied to the original ROM (so you load the original rom file, then apply the colorization macros)
- These macros usually apply strictly to one rom version (ie revision and Pro/Premium). You can adjust if you know your way around (for ex the Premium ROM for Star Trek has more DMD frames, fortunately they are all at the beginning so you can adjust the macros by adding a "shift" command), still clumsy
- Colorization is done directly in the ROM, so you are limited to ROM space... And in the case of the two colorizations I tested out there, I ran out of memory on both. I tested Avengers, I got about a dozen errors (meaning the colorization macro could not be applied and saved), on Star Trek I got hundred of errors.
- Once colorized, you need to save your ROM, specifying in Pinball Browser the communication mechanism. You have two methods of operation, In-Frame or side channel. In-frame as the name implies use the first four pixels of the DMD to relay the palette switch. Unfortunately this seems broken and does not work. Side channel requires a serial USB cable between the CPU board and PIN2DMD, AND to modify the ROM to add the communication patch. And to add the communication patch, you need the serial number of your CPU board... Which hopefully has not been swapped so you can find the SN at the back of your pinball machine
Also, Pinball browser colorization method does not support 64 colors.
So all in all... I would not even dream of going that route for a Stern SAM machine, at least unless it's supported natively (see above)
Fubar
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Agree with the above. I bought a pin2dmd for my ACDC, and after a couple of evenings trying to figure it out (it's not well documented!), I found that the macro was not present in PB. The macros are tied to pro vs prem, but also to the code version, which may explain why it can't find it? Couldn't get any help from either the colourisation artist or lucky1.
I ended up just putting the original DMD back in...
I ended up just putting the original DMD back in...
By the way if you want to revisit, I can help you with adjusting to a different revision of the ROM. But can't predict if you will be able to run the macros completely without running out of memory
Fifty
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These are great! Your acrylic redesigns are top notch too!
For Creech, and I'm not saying I'm in (yet), do you have plans to incorporate the speaker tail light mod? It obviously won't work with the new panel. Any plans on developing one for the bigger pin2dmd screen? Oh, and what the hell do I do with my 128x32 once I get a 256x64 pin2dmd? LOL
For Creech, and I'm not saying I'm in (yet), do you have plans to incorporate the speaker tail light mod? It obviously won't work with the new panel. Any plans on developing one for the bigger pin2dmd screen? Oh, and what the hell do I do with my 128x32 once I get a 256x64 pin2dmd? LOL
TheFool
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I would like to get in on this. If possible I would like to order 2. Hope list is still open. Thanks TheFool
Received all the new graphic acrylics yesterday, and they look great - crisp, clear and bright. They were the last piece of the BOM I was waiting on to get the first 10 displays out the door.
Below is a video I took tonight, showing the final version of the panel running on my CFTBL. I'm running @slippifishi 's new colorisation (amazing) as well as the final version of my Lolly speaker lights board, which now fades smoothly between patterns (patterns & colours configurable over wifi). The colours and flickering on the video isn't the best - I still haven't worked out how to film DMDs properly :-/
Currently available are IJ WH2O JD BSD TOM TZ CFTBL T2 HS2 FT TAF STTNG, with WPC 95 games (black acrylic with silver Williams logo by @Colywobbles), and SAM/Whitestar (black acrylic) being soon. IJ and TAF lightboards will be fully supported by a low profile lightboard and custom speaker panel with cutouts I have put together.
1st round people, expect a PM tomorrow with details (@Paul @Matt Vince @Mike Parkins @Mfresh @M4carp @Ashram56 @Pick Holder)
2nd round people, just waiting on some more LED panels, which should be here early next week, so expect a PM around then also (@Neil McRae @Jazzbouche @Robbie @Juggler Spencer @Matt Vince @TheFool)
These have been really popular so have pushed out to a third overflow round, still 6 or so left in that round (1-2 month wait).
Below is a video I took tonight, showing the final version of the panel running on my CFTBL. I'm running @slippifishi 's new colorisation (amazing) as well as the final version of my Lolly speaker lights board, which now fades smoothly between patterns (patterns & colours configurable over wifi). The colours and flickering on the video isn't the best - I still haven't worked out how to film DMDs properly :-/
Currently available are IJ WH2O JD BSD TOM TZ CFTBL T2 HS2 FT TAF STTNG, with WPC 95 games (black acrylic with silver Williams logo by @Colywobbles), and SAM/Whitestar (black acrylic) being soon. IJ and TAF lightboards will be fully supported by a low profile lightboard and custom speaker panel with cutouts I have put together.
1st round people, expect a PM tomorrow with details (@Paul @Matt Vince @Mike Parkins @Mfresh @M4carp @Ashram56 @Pick Holder)
2nd round people, just waiting on some more LED panels, which should be here early next week, so expect a PM around then also (@Neil McRae @Jazzbouche @Robbie @Juggler Spencer @Matt Vince @TheFool)
These have been really popular so have pushed out to a third overflow round, still 6 or so left in that round (1-2 month wait).
Very nice
Sure mate can do. It's round 3, probably a 2 month wait currently.
Well - apparently its supported:
StarTrek LE/Premium 1.61
ROM File patch for Stern StarTrek LE / Premium by Sharkky To create the needed ROM file you can use bspatch Patch needs vpinmame V2.8, latest dmddevice.dll and pin2dmd firmware >= V2.36. THIS PATCH DOES NOT WORK FOR REAL PINBALL MACHINES !PLEASE CONTACT THE AUTHOR IF YOU NEED IT FOR A REAL PIN !
vpuniverse.com
Although the whole ROM patching thing is a bit out of my knowledge area !
Fubar
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That file will only work for virtual pins. For real pins you need some more gubbins. Having just been through this process for SAM machines with my ACDC, it was a royal PITA.
@J85M what you can do is open Pinball Browser and check the macro repository (without loading any firmware). If there is a colourisation there for ST prem/LE latest code version then you can consider PIN2DMD. Otherwise I'd get a ColorDMD instead.
From what I can recall though, @Ashram56 said he'd given it a go for his ST and wasn't successful
That file will only work for virtual pins. For real pins you need some more gubbins. Having just been through this process for SAM machines with my ACDC, it was a royal PITA.
@J85M what you can do is open Pinball Browser and check the macro repository (without loading any firmware). If there is a colourisation there for ST prem/LE latest code version then you can consider PIN2DMD. Otherwise I'd get a ColorDMD instead.
From what I can recall though, @Ashram56 said he'd given it a go for his ST and wasn't successful
Yes I can confirm that applying the macro on any Star Trek ROM results into literally hundreds of "out of memory" errors, meaning Pinball Browser cannot perform a given colorization task (which could be one pixel change, or a whole area), so it's a few hundred errors in the colorization in the end.
I therefore gave up on this approach for Star Trek
AC/DC has much more memory than Star Trek, so you actually can run the whole macro without any issue
Useful link for colour files for Pin2DMD (for both real and VPins). I've been using the Spiderman one on my real Pin with a Pin2DMD and it's good:
https://vpuniverse.com/forums/topic/5391-complete-pin2dmd-colour-file-list-for-virtual-real-pins/
These bigger Pin2DMDs look great by the way!
https://vpuniverse.com/forums/topic/5391-complete-pin2dmd-colour-file-list-for-virtual-real-pins/
These bigger Pin2DMDs look great by the way!
Slight Technical issue this end... Cant get the Colourisation Rom file for Wh2o since the auther's "mailbox is full" 
oops!
oops!
slippifishi
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Try posting in his main WH2O thread on VPU, or you can use this form to contact him directly: https://pin-display.ch/artist-endprodukt/Slight Technical issue this end... Cant get the Colourisation Rom file for Wh2o since the auther's "mailbox is full"
oops!
crap video, but proves it works 
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That looks like LCD the LED’s are so tight!crap video, but proves it works
Or you can message him on Pinside Endprodukt
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