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s000m said:
Wasn't an attack on Jib as I doubt she caused that but it just shows to me that whoever had it before didn't care if it was dragged across a concrete floor.
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I've sat this out long enough. It's my birthday today, I was out last night and most of the day. Everyone probably thinks I caused the "damage" to the rear of the pin in question because I only just sold it to @Jib. I owned the pin for 4 years, delivered originally by Martin. Martin always brings a pin off his tail lift on his sack truck across my drive and straight into my conservatory up a ramp I built years ago. The machine has been set up since and never been moved other than from 1 carpeted pinroom into my conservatory and even then it was still on it's legs. When the machine was sold I never took a photo of the rear of the machine because I never have done that, or been asked to, or asked someone else to because who gives a **** about a few scratches on the back of a cab. I've taken photos of older machines where there's wood damage but that's it. Anyway, once sold the machine was tombstoned for 2 weeks on carpet and then moved to the side of the road when martin was minutes away and set down on a piece of blue cardboard like plastic sheet that I always use ( some will have seen me use this stuff loading and unloading at pinfest ). In other words it happened before I owned it. I've no idea how many owners had it before me but I trust that the person I bought it off didn't do it either.

Statements like the rear of the machine has some indication of the life it's had? and looks like 16000 plays? on someone's for sale thread? seriously? did you even look at the playfield? some people need to take a serious look at themselves if some paint damage to the rear of the cab, you know, the bit no-one ever sees, bothers them .

PS, I've never posted a rant like that...ever.
 
i saw you buying a pinball machine shredder on ebay just the other year, Kev.
own up, we all know it was you.

(by the way, did it feel good having that rant? i love a good rant, me. especially after some sauce)
 
kevlar said:
I've sat this out long enough. It's my birthday today, I was out last night and most of the day. Everyone probably thinks I caused the "damage" to the rear of the pin in question because I only just sold it to @Jib. I owned the pin for 4 years, delivered originally by Martin. Martin always brings a pin off his tail lift on his sack truck across my drive and straight into my conservatory up a ramp I built years ago. The machine has been set up since and never been moved other than from 1 carpeted pinroom into my conservatory and even then it was still on it's legs. When the machine was sold I never took a photo of the rear of the machine because I never have done that, or been asked to, or asked someone else to because who gives a **** about a few scratches on the back of a cab. I've taken photos of older machines where there's wood damage but that's it. Anyway, once sold the machine was tombstoned for 2 weeks on carpet and then moved to the side of the road when martin was minutes away and set down on a piece of blue cardboard like plastic sheet that I always use ( some will have seen me use this stuff loading and unloading at pinfest ). In other words it happened before I owned it. I've no idea how many owners had it before me but I trust that the person I bought it off didn't do it either.

Statements like the rear of the machine has some indication of the life it's had? and looks like 16000 plays? on someone's for sale thread? seriously? did you even look at the playfield? some people need to take a serious look at themselves if some paint damage to the rear of the cab, you know, the bit no-one ever sees, bothers them .

PS, I've never posted a rant like that...ever.
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I'm glad I am not the odd one out for never once caring about the condition of the back of any machine I have ever bought 🤣
 
Personally I don't give a toss about number of plays. Just getting that out there in case someone wants to lecture me about it. Cos I know you will!!!

But if you're a seller and someone asks the question then just f'in tell them?!?!? what's this BS about taking the P**s out the buyer for asking about number of plays or pics of certain parts of the cab, How dare they!!. I also don't give a damn about your opinion of why they shouldn't be asking such questions or why they are meaningless. Your only job as the seller is to provide the information requested by the buyer to make you a sale.

Also if you follow sales around here it's not hard to work out where that machine came from.
 
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Full disclosure on ALL aspects when selling.
If not, perhaps one could be:-
- A tad lackadaisical
- Genuinely unconcerned
- Deliberately knowledge hoarding
 
Number of plays should be disclosed in conjunction with the number of balls set per game, maybe keep track of extra balls as well.
 
All for sale ad should contain a video that shows the arrival of the game, how it was unboxed and set up. Stills taken every 100 plays. A metallurgical analysis of the balls at those 100 play intervals. A biopsy indicating how sweaty the sells hands are. the distance the machine was kept away from the kitchen. a declaration as to if there was ever any food or beverage in the room with the games. If any kids had played the game and used the flippers excessably
 
Paul said:
I remember the fun we had around the definition of "mint" - which is why lots of people dont use it....

Mint to me is NIB condition, or at very least FULLY restored by someone that knows their beans.
Mint to someone else might be a wipe over with no obvious issues.

It's VERY subjective, and a bold claim :)
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It might be a bit of ball ache but you could make a small guide with scale from 10 - 1.

10 = being your Gem Mint NIB shopped etc.
9 = mint
8 = near mint = can contain scratches on the back

5 = visible signs of wear around wherever
etc.
 
Maybe we could have a government enforced "MOT" for pinball machines where the condition is inspected annually and the number of plays is recorded in a database, to make it more difficult to "clock" pinball machines by just resetting the counters 🤣
 
If you get 100 folk, how many will ever agree regarding a standard table ?

Unless you know and trust the seller, go and see the game. Old school.

If the above doesn't apply, buyer beware
 
All my pins have absolutely zero scratches on the back.
What you guys up to? Who's responsible for all this cackhandedness, who's Spartacus?
 
Wasnt there a guy on here recently who was searching for a Family Guy or Simpsons and turned machines down as the back on them wasnt in Mint condition?
 
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