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JJP3 The Future of Pinball
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Interesting....but why would you want to?
And that, right there, is why people are giving the game a rough ride. The whole premise behind pinball is that it is tactile and there is a physical connection between the player and the machine.
I have absolutely zero interest in using my phone to control a pin. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done.
For me the most telling part of this thread is Phil's quote that there's no point doing EAG as ops won't buy it.
For me the most telling part of this thread is Phil's quote that there's no point doing EAG as ops won't buy it.
Isn't there two l's in dialled? You'd think for that price they'd at least get the spelling right.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a name change before launch, Quantum City sounds so much better.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a name change before launch, Quantum City sounds so much better.
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Mainly due to the crazy price. Selfie mode would probably work on location.
Jack has said standards will be announced soon but doubt they will be much cheaper.
US vs UK spelling. This is a common difference between English and American. As part of its detachment from the British after independence the "American" language was rationalised and one of the methods was to reduce unnecessary repetition of letters.
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ops won't buy because ops DONT buy pins, not that there is anything wrong with this pin... but EAG is expensive, no point doing unless you are going to sell containers of product... personally i don't see that happening.
Pinball is bigger than just the UK though. It's exactly the sort of game Dave and Busters etc. would love on location
I think that title was perhaps tongue in cheek, but the pin does contain innovation that hasn't previously been seen. Similar to how previously introduced innovations have led to wider-spread changes in the market place, some adopted more than others - metal ramps, LEDs, LCD displays, invisi-glass, etc.
Errrr....Except the value of the pound
Indeed, and a few other trivial details like a coming exodus of high paid work.
For those who doubt that we're already much poorer, take a look at these tables:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
In nominal, per capita terms we got slightly poorer between the end of '14 and '15, as fears of Cameron calling a referendum on 'Brexit' began to weigh on the £ at the end of the latter. Relative to the Eurozone we got slightly richer, as Greece, ridiculously low interest rates and massive QE weighed on the €.
Whilst quite a few of the small countries in Europe and Scandies were ahead of us, we were significantly ahead of Germany and miles ahead of France. With Italy and Spain expectedly nowhere to be seen, relatively. We're even 30% ahead of Japan.
Fast forward to today.
The £ has crashed. Germany is way ahead, France have recently overtaken us, by the end of the year, if Renzi wins his referendum, Italy overhauling us will be imminent ... something that without the Brexit vote, would have been totally unthinkable. Much the same for Japan.
In the medium to long term, we can expect to enjoy relative wealth similar to or slightly greater than Spain, if the Euro Zone avoids another crisis (and they're likely to IF the referendum in Italy is won) and we end up leaving the Single Market.
Before 10 years have passed we might see the first ex-Soviet and Balkan countries overtake us - Slovenia and Estonia. At the moment we're headed back to being the poor man of Europe .... something that was totally avoidable and entirely self inflicted.
Having looked more closely at it I have to say that it's looks pretty cool to play, I'm a huge Lawlor fan so enjoying the nods to his other games.
I care little for the whole phone, selfie nonsense.
Change the title and it would immediately just sound more exciting. And change that godawful artwork slap in the middle of the playfield. Looks naff.
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I care little for the whole phone, selfie nonsense.
Change the title and it would immediately just sound more exciting. And change that godawful artwork slap in the middle of the playfield. Looks naff.
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My thoughts exactly, get rid of the phone theme and selfie nonsense and change the name and this could be another Lawlor classic, albeit a rare one at that price point.
Exactly, I can't see pinball having much of a future with such a steep price hike.
But if ops don't buy it then how will new people discover pinball? Isn't that the rationale behind "the future of pinball". I'd love to see more pins on site but at prices that means ops simply can't turn a profit then isn't it going to become even more niche?
The game might be great (I really hope it's a blast to play) but if no one sites them then how will anyone know? For ten grand I'm sure there are a lot more viable options for ops to spend their money on.
How many games do we think an manufacturer would need to sell to be viable? Are they going to hit this point if they are only going to rely on home sales? (especially if home sales also rely on existing machines being sold on to fund new purchases)
If we can't rely on Will to buy one then we are all doomed
The game might be great (I really hope it's a blast to play) but if no one sites them then how will anyone know? For ten grand I'm sure there are a lot more viable options for ops to spend their money on.
How many games do we think an manufacturer would need to sell to be viable? Are they going to hit this point if they are only going to rely on home sales? (especially if home sales also rely on existing machines being sold on to fund new purchases)
If we can't rely on Will to buy one then we are all doomed
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And then 2 weeks later tries to buy it back
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Lets face it, tipsters/experts are hopeless at making predictions.
Pretty much everyone predicted the pound would go down if Brexit won.
FTSE 100 duly crashed to 5700.
And yet what seems so obvious now is that FTSE 100 comprise companies who are benefiting from a weak pound.
FTSE 100 now over 7000.
And yet, all these experts couldn't predict something that seems blindingly obvious. And it is their day job to do so.
So, I take it with a pinch of salt whenever I hear predictions.
Everyone is just guessing away.....
Back to JJP.
How can you have a SLE with an unlimited run???
There is a good thread on Pinside asking if there is a call for a cheaper, simpler type of game on the market. I believe there is.
Do we really need magnets, ramps and cheap looking plastic toys scattered all over every pin ?
Imagine Fathom's layout with modern programming.
Do we really need magnets, ramps and cheap looking plastic toys scattered all over every pin ?
Imagine Fathom's layout with modern programming.
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Cheapest NIB at the moment is Spooky's Domino's Pizza at around $5000 but it doesn't look or sound that good.
Agree, making a classic 80's type game with speech and good code would be potentially interesting.
They made Whoa Nellie which is simple, and it still cost a fortune
The first glimpse of the ensuing greadfest.
You can get one in the US for just under $5k ... Pabst Can Crusher is at $6400 and it's an identical retheme, and no discounts.
That's the most eye popping of all. $100 shy of what WOZ ECLE was originally available to order at.
Also, forgive me as I hadn't seen this ... but surely the big story here is that a super stripped down Stern Pro (albeit with LCD) is now going to cost £9k in the UK!!?!? That's the asking price for the BM '66 so-called Premium.
In what world does that sell?
Dialled In likely has a bill of materials 3 times higher, and it's 'only' £500 more.
This is looking like the end of the UK NIB market, as I expressed fears about in the Brexit thread earlier in the year.
In what world does that sell?
Dialled In likely has a bill of materials 3 times higher, and it's 'only' £500 more.
This is looking like the end of the UK NIB market, as I expressed fears about in the Brexit thread earlier in the year.
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The exchange rate is hurting NIB for sure but Gary and Jack have been going toe to toe for the last few years to see who can sell the most expensive game and unfortunately folks keep paying.
80 people paid $15000 for Batman SLE which back in 2004 would have been a TSSP pro.
They keep raising prices because they can, not because they need to.
80 people paid $15000 for Batman SLE which back in 2004 would have been a TSSP pro.
They keep raising prices because they can, not because they need to.
Bop, Tommy, Demo man, Indy Jones and several others old games have been tweaked or changed totally. Great pin layouts can be shafted by programming and vice versa. Bop.v.2. Looks like a legendary way forward. Why doesnt an old game with a good layout get a reworking, I'd pay 200 for a colour dmd and the same again for a new rom with a reworked game on it. The Demo man rewrite made it more 'sterny' but felt a bit amateur, but it was free to all. My point is if more underground stuff like that went on in direct protest to the ridiculous prices maybe the big boys would take note. Meanwhile well done Highway with alien, the only new release not to feel a little bit rapey
Is that last bit right though? I have no inside information to know for sure, but the fact that Jack has required two cash injections from outside investors, on top of whatever seed funds the business had to start with, suggests it has not been a profitable venture to date. I'm not trying to justify the price hikes, but it seems to me to be unlikely this is simply profiteering and greed, based on the need for these extra investments.