I stand corrected, glad to hear it, happy for you sir.The condition is amazing. As good as HUO. Other than a lockbar which I just need a new coin door for.
Wouldn't have been interested otherwise
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I think I'm done buying used
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I mean you buy used and sell for what you pay used Wayne
and if prices are rising surely this is a good thing? (Ie: not flipping for profit)Makes sense that NIB would lose more money than a used one?
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Another thing about total number of plays. I'm a ****er for holding down start and restarting my game if I have a terrible first ball. Does that count as a game played on the audit? I would imagine so.
Yup it does.
TBH I don't trust the total plays anyway its so easily reset even the life time.
I think people have forgotten about anything pre pandemic production of most things is now getting back to normal so shortages will soon be met prices for new will still increase I suspect as infatuation and energy price saw
I suspect by the end of the year the price of a pin will have gone up again stock levels will be back to normal ish and with 50% energy increases to people bills plus a further 20% in October 3 or 4 interest rises and inflation still on the rise it’s going to be a very interesting end to the year I wonder how many people will want to pay 11k for a dead pool premium or 11.5k for Elvira when they arrive I see nib sales slowing right down and more pins coming on the market second hand as they don’t pay the bills and people having much less money to buy them
You can already see this with one massive selling item through the pandemic peloton products there shares rocketed in the pandemic the last quarter sales where shocking and they dropped 89% last week plus they announced 2400 jobs to go yesterday a pinball machine is a none essential item and if it has to go to make ends meet it has to go
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paulg100
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If they add a average game time and average score to insider, will be a great way of keeping track of all that for connected machines.
For the first time since I got into this hobby I’ve only had one new (to me) pin through the door in the last 12 months. Prices are just mental.
I know that I can sell / trade my existing pins but who wants to take a 8 grand punt and potentially be left with a lemon?
I honestly can’t think of an theme I like well enough to spunk 10 grand on, so NIB isn’t going to happen.
3k for a Lost in Space. WTF.
I’m not convinced price hikes for electricity etc are going to reduce pin prices. Whilst some people will drop out of the market others are going to see inflation riding at say 8% and savings rates still pathetically low and decide to “invest” in pins etc rather than take the hit on their savings.
It’s a strange world. I’ve been waiting for house prices to crash for 20 years plus given how out of kilter they are with earnings but that market hasn’t corrected itself, prices keep marching relentless upwards.
I know that I can sell / trade my existing pins but who wants to take a 8 grand punt and potentially be left with a lemon?
I honestly can’t think of an theme I like well enough to spunk 10 grand on, so NIB isn’t going to happen.
3k for a Lost in Space. WTF.
I’m not convinced price hikes for electricity etc are going to reduce pin prices. Whilst some people will drop out of the market others are going to see inflation riding at say 8% and savings rates still pathetically low and decide to “invest” in pins etc rather than take the hit on their savings.
It’s a strange world. I’ve been waiting for house prices to crash for 20 years plus given how out of kilter they are with earnings but that market hasn’t corrected itself, prices keep marching relentless upwards.
This’ll be the one I bought, the reality was the seller gave me a partial refund, so consequently it didn’t cost £4.5K, I’m fairly sure I could move it on (with an honest description) and recoup my outlay. However my intentions were never to by a project, I was looking for a nice example, the description and pictures were just not representative. Now if I had a crystal ball and was aware of this I would of bought your machine Chris.
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So just hearing that Stern is likely to not resolve its manufacturing backlog this year - which will be great for second hand game pricing if you are a seller!
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My only advice to any newbies is to buy a game because you like it and not just because it’s in your price range. I have had several games I bought on price alone and I sold them all with 6 months only adding the price of parts I fitted to them in the time I had them , I bought one game and decided I didn’t like it before I got home
That’s correct! But then we have to consider a few more things. Quite a few more…
Probably the guy with 4000 plays, cleaned and waxed the pin 15 times and replaced everything that had to be replaced tighten up every loose screw etc.
In the same time the other guy (850 plays) never lifted the glass.
The number of games played it’s not telling you the whole story. There are many others unknown factors:
-time per gameplay
- was the game maintained or not,
-was the playfield cleaned and if so how?
- was the playfield waxed and if it was, how many layers of wax and how often? playfield or - how many times the pinballs were replaced? And this one goes from an extreme to the other. The person that likes to replace the pinballs does it multiple times during 4000 plays. The other persons that doesn’t replace them, won’t do it even after 25000 games played
- was the machine kept in a temperature controlled room or in a cold and dump garage/shed
-etc etc etc
And I’ve not even mentioned if the game counter was “adjusted” or not…
HUO doesn’t mean pristine.
300 plays doesn’t mean much if the game is delivered with rusty balls, broken rubbers, filthy playfield, and a coil or two that hang in a single screw.
And unfortunately I’ve seen this a few times.
Inspection is king!
Couldn't agree more!
Give how rare a Sega Rally is. I wouldn't care how many plays one had as long as it worked
Where is it? Where is it?
Sega what now…
Don’t forget another important factor, how long has it been turned on for.
On location it is on all day.
On location it is on all day.
Would that really matter ? 2nd hand is 2nd hand you buy on condition and that’s it. I always chuckle when I seee home use only in an ad these things are built to be on site all day every day , buy on condition only if used
So what you are saying is you would rather buy a ex op pin for the same money as a huo
So a bm66 that’s huo with 350 games that’s been in a nice home environment same place since delivered and maintained well
Or an ex op with 4000 plays it’s been on 6 sites since new turned on 8 hours a day all it’s life and has had zero maintenance is worth the same value as above your on drugs alpha one
you buy on condition , the buyer is in the drivers seat
Id rather have a home use pin but we all have a level of pre use we are happy with
Id rather have a home use pin but we all have a level of pre use we are happy with
Jib
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Mine are huo but are gonna have a lot of games on vs most I see on here. But they are in the house, I do look after them and clean and change balls etc. Dunno where a high huo pin falls in the argument. Or even how many games is high use on a newer pin?
That's not what I said. Maybe I said it badly, but all these FS posts now with "only 800 plays" means nothing as the audit log shows average game time played, and if you're going to be obsessed with getting a pin with hardly any use I would go by that metric over games played.
If anyone cares about number of games played they should look at total playing time rather than simply number of games played as one points to a heavier used playfield and the other a heavier used start button
Drives me nuts.
I’ve just checked our Godzilla Prem. It arrived on 25th January.
1591 balls = 530 games played.
I’m still waiting for Cliffy to release playfield protectors for Godzilla because… well, it’s probably going to need them. We also have a new, spare set of Polaris balls.
[NB: It probably gets covered in more peanut butter than your average route game too - our toddler likes to provide ‘plunger and action button support’].
Only stat you can really trust on modern Sterns is the lifetime plays or credits, anything else can be cleared down.
I was sold a “HUO” that turned out to have had over a thousand lifetime paid credits on it!
And only the latest Sterns have the lifetime plays stat, for instance my Walking Dead only shows lifetime paid credits not plays.
I was sold a “HUO” that turned out to have had over a thousand lifetime paid credits on it!
And only the latest Sterns have the lifetime plays stat, for instance my Walking Dead only shows lifetime paid credits not plays.
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some people put home games on pay to play to use as savings device