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Steve, your existing log cabin, how thick are the logs? That site you linked to reckons 44mm logs are adequate for year round use as living/office etc. How's yours in winter?

I intend keeping one or two oil filled radiators on at low setting during winter months, like a did with old outbuilding before we moved (that was block and brick with cavity though).
 
Just been out in the rain and measured it John. Actually thicker than I thought 38mm and approx size 3.2m x 3.2m and does get cold in the winter.

The original plan was to get one of the Billy Oh Dorset in 44mm but fully line it out with celotex or something similar as personally don't think that 44mm is enough for all year round. However with all the rules/regs, etc I am leaning more towards a block built with cavity.

Might be worth seeing what the Latvians say as I once viewed a pin in a log cabin and it was more like a holiday home. Walls were probably 100mm and that was from Latvia or one of the Baltic States and that was ok for all year round.
 
OK Steve, I'm heading over this or tomorrow afternoon. Will advise what they say.... but cautious of the sales platter !

I can't get builder here to look at other options until later in week.
 
It's not that you can't build closer than 1m to a boundary it's just that if you do you need building regs approval and all that "substantially non-combustible" stuff. And depending on size/location/materials you may also need planning permission.

Just have a word with you local planning department for advice. Remember, They Work For Us, as it's our council tax and NI that pays for them, so make them earn their crust! I think if what you have in mind borders any of limits mentioned above, e.g., near 30 square meters or near a boundary, then you'd be nuts not to get it officially approved so that in the future you don't have any "neighbourly entanglements".

For me, I knew I was well clear. I only bound one other neighbour, my summerhouse is not even 10 square metres and well below the permissible heights, I kept it at least 2m from the fence, I don't live in a special area and, for me, most importantly of all I asked my neighbour around for a beer to talk it over. As it happened he was considering his summerhouse/home-office so we got to swap ideas, prices, etc., as well as agreeing we were both happy with each others plans.
 
Nedreud said:
Just have a word with you local planning department for advice. Remember, They Work For Us, as it's our council tax and NI that pays for them, so make them earn their crust! I think if what you have in mind borders any of limits mentioned above, e.g., near 30 square meters or near a boundary, then you'd be nuts not to get it officially approved so that in the future you don't have any "neighbourly entanglements".
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My local office responded to three emails then wanted a consulting fee for any further enquiries. Not a lot, but going through planning was a lot more expensive and hassle, wanting scale drawings and all that. They've already confirmed the basic issues and so have a reference point if anything comes up in future. I intend keeping 1 metre distance from boundary, under 2.5m height throughout and under 30 sqm (and is way under garden cover area limit). Can't see anything else that should affect it....
 
JMP said:
My local office responded to three emails then wanted a consulting fee for any further enquiries. Not a lot, but going through planning was a lot more expensive and hassle, wanting scale drawings and all that. They've already confirmed the basic issues and so have a reference point if anything comes up in future. I intend keeping 1 metre distance from boundary, under 2.5m height throughout and under 30 sqm (and is way under garden cover area limit). Can't see anything else that should affect it....
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That's good. Sorry, I didn't mean for you to spend loads on applications, but as you have done, you should be able to chat with them for free to make sure you're in the right ball park. Sounds like you're all set! Time to break out the cheque book and hammer ;)
 
Nah no problem, good to get 360 degree view on it all. I think they respond to a few emails then push for the 'fee' when you're pushing it with them..!

So far, old shed demolished and cleared some ground/roots. Seeing Latvian cabin guys tomorrow, hopefully builder end of week or early next. Still got another shed to move..... going to be a long process.
 
I know a few people with pins in wooden outbuildings, all seem ok. Key is getting the insulation right and not scrimping. I know every pin I've seen that's lived in a conservatory has been pretty shabby due to the immense temp fluctuations
 
Cheers Paul. Either way, think I'll need to construct a concrete raft foundation like we did at Luke's. Probably 4.5 X 7 or 8 metres this time though.
 
Wizcat said:
Wellies on standby John. Put the call out if you want a hand at any point. :)
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Pah, Wellies are for girls.. I bet they are pink as well, Hello Kitty or something? ;)
 
Steve C said:
Shame you weren't closer luke as would have had a few barrow loads.

Any big stones, rockery, etc?
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Yep the woman said she's found a few good rocks in there. She's taken another few barrows full now :) She had John and Paul wheeling round 10+ barrows full when we were doing the foundations. Still can't believe how much of a mountain is left
 
Steve C said:
Might be worth seeing what the Latvians say as I once viewed a pin in a log cabin and it was more like a holiday home. Walls were probably 100mm and that was from Latvia or one of the Baltic States and that was ok for all year round.
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Steve, met these guys today just up the road from me. Their cabins are 40mm logs, double-glazed doors/windows with felt tiled roof (which look better IMO). Stated £150 per sqm, so for 30 sqm (6.5m W X 4.5m D approx.) he stated £4,300 (bit of a reduction) and will erect it for £500 ! Leaving out the T&G under roof so can insulate myself beforehand and do floor myself (on top of T&G) too. This is similar to the Shire Elveden but one open area and no sunken in door.

Definately a better option, cheaper with DG included. Just leaves no insulation to walls. He reckons they sell loads as living spaces (all year round) and games rooms etc. with insulation only to floor and roof with no condensation issues and just need for background heating left on in winter...

Builder coming Monday, so will see what he comes up with in comparison. Above looks a good fall back option though. :)
 
JMP said:
Steve, met these guys today just up the road from me. Their cabins are 40mm logs, double-glazed doors/windows with felt tiled roof (which look better IMO). Stated £150 per sqm, so for 30 sqm (6.5m W X 4.5m D approx.) he stated £4,300 (bit of a reduction) and will erect it for £500 ! Leaving out the T&G under roof so can insulate myself beforehand and do floor myself (on top of T&G) too. This is similar to the Shire Elveden but one open area and no sunken in door.

Definately a better option, cheaper with DG included. Just leaves no insulation to walls. He reckons they sell loads as living spaces (all year round) and games rooms etc. with insulation only to floor and roof with no condensation issues and just need for background heating left on in winter...

Builder coming Monday, so will see what he comes up with in comparison. Above looks a good fall back option though. :)
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Not a bad price John but was expecting them to be 70/100mm logs as really 40mm isn't much. Just slightly smaller than yours but I can get a 5.5 x 4.5 with 44mm walls, double glazed and felt tiled roof for under 3k.

I would take his claim as ok for all year round living in with just background heating with a pinch of salt as he is just selling it to you and not putting 1000's of £'s worth of machines in it so in my opinion defo needs insulation/celotex on the walls. Might just be ok if we have a mild winter but what if we have some really cold ones?

For the floor I was opting out of getting T&G and replacing it with proper treated chipboard flooring as stronger and better than floorboards plus insulation was going under the floor, between the joists.

If builder is anything like ones round our way then expect it to be 6k if not more.

Have you thought about another option if practical - instead of 1 large cabin get 2 slightly smaller ones and then you could maybe exceed the 30sq M?
 
Steve, which one are you looking at? I'd presumed this:

http://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co...-Log-Cabin/20549?source=webgains&siteid=73669

...and I get to £3,439 when adding DG, 19mm T&G to floor and roof plus shingles. Of course, insulation and further internal materials to add too.

They did larger logs but of course put price up. Oh yeah, conscious of the sales platter....., insulating and further lining of T&G or plywood to walls is doable of course.

One good thing about these local guys is erecting it for only £500 over a couple of days, leaving me to the insulating and internal lining.
 
JMP said:
Steve, which one are you looking at? I'd presumed this:

http://www.gardenbuildingsdirect.co...-Log-Cabin/20549?source=webgains&siteid=73669

...and I get to £3,439 when adding DG, 19mm T&G to floor and roof plus shingles. Of course, insulation and further internal materials to add too.

They did larger logs but of course put price up. Oh yeah, conscious of the sales platter....., insulating and further lining of T&G or plywood to walls is doable of course.

One good thing about these local guys is erecting it for only £500 over a couple of days, leaving me to the insulating and internal lining.
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That's the one but I omitted the 19mm T&G floor (-250) and opted for std roof as would be insulated underneath (-220) so price would be £2969.95 but would be cost of chipboard flooring on top of that. Best price I found for 18mm treated chipboard/flooring was £7.50 for a 2.4 x .6 so approx £150 for that
 
Ah right. Not sure I'd want to scrimp on the floor and roof felt though. Luke's cabin has standard felt and is leaking already.

When are you looking to do yours? Will let you know what builder comes up with on Monday.
 
JMP said:
Ah right. Not sure I'd want to scrimp on the floor and roof felt though. Luke's cabin has standard felt and is leaking already.

When are you looking to do yours? Will let you know what builder comes up with on Monday.
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Not scrimping on floor, chipboard may be wrong description as they are the same spec as used in house building, slightly green tint to them and protected against water damage (should know as washing machine leaked), nothing like what chipboard used to be and in my opinion would provide a smoother floor than T&G floorboards. Opting for std roof meant 11mm instead of 19mm boards so felt still the same i.e. tiles on a strip, which is what is on existing one.

I've been looking to do mine for about a year now but just so much going on however going to try and do it same time as kitchen extension which is hopefully soon.
 
Ah right Steve, I see. I know the chipboard panels you mean. Yeah it was more avoiding the 'standard' roofing felt.

Just emailed Total Sheds, I see they offer insulated and installed cabins. Cheers Paul.
 
Looks like Total Sheds go up to 40' x 14' but looks like they only use 20/22mm log lap and also standard roofing felt as well but be good to get another quote.
 
I'm in the process of helping a friend of mine sort our theirs - Give them a call and see what they can do... they mentioned to me that, for example, they can increase the eaves height from 6' to 6'6" for no extra cost etc... i suspect they can change the felt to what you require for the difference in cost... they also will build for quite a cheap cost too... ( i think they said for them to build the 16x10 was something like £50ish... )!!!

They build them all on site themselves hence the flexibility - so i guess if you want 22mm roof then it'll just cost the difference in the wood cost
 
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