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They had a habit of hoovering up cabs cheap, gutting all the original valuable components, sticking an LCD and 60-1 pcb in then flogging it for a grand+ more with this ‘better than new’ guff.
 
Pooman2084 said:
They had a habit of hoovering up cabs cheap, gutting all the original valuable components, sticking an LCD and 60-1 pcb in then flogging it for a grand+ more with this ‘better than new’ guff.
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Clearly nothing more than a serial scammer. And then attempts to warn ME about karma!!!
 
Your better off with the original screen than a cheap lcd one. Must admit I didn’t realise consumer law gives you 12 months warranty on used goods. Especially goods that are 20+ years old..
 
Kenny Taylor said:
Your better off with the original screen than a cheap lcd one. Must admit I didn’t realise consumer law gives you 12 months warranty on used goods. Especially goods that are 20+ years old..
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Law really is such a beautiful thing. Employment legislation quite literally saved my life five years ago, but that’s another story entirely. The key principle at play here is that whether brand new or second hand, the same three rules always apply regardless; the goods sold must be of satisfactory quality; as described in any listing or marketing material; and fit for purpose.
 
Kenny Taylor said:
Your better off with the original screen than a cheap lcd one. Must admit I didn’t realise consumer law gives you 12 months warranty on used goods. Especially goods that are 20+ years old..
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Thought that was the business model of these companies, you pay a big premium over second hand prices but receive peace of mind and a warranty.
 
Kenny Taylor said:
Your better off with the original screen than a cheap lcd one. Must admit I didn’t realise consumer law gives you 12 months warranty on used goods. Especially goods that are 20+ years old..
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Yeah I’m surprised at that 🤷‍♂️
As we all know old electronics can fail at any moment . With that in mind , that’s a major headache for a business selling old kit.
 
Sgt GrizZ said:
Yeah I’m surprised at that 🤷‍♂️
As we all know old electronics can fail at any moment . With that in mind , that’s a major headache for a business selling old kit.
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Looking at the legislation, it looks like they are only liable if the fault was present when it was sold. So it's not really a warranty as such, it seems more designed to prevent retailers passing off junk as fully working.
 
beccawadkin said:
Sounds to me as though the entire business is something of a joke . . .
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Sounds like you will be getting a debt recovery agency in to get your money back. I had to do something similar when an individual refused to abide by the CCJ. All of their costs get added to the recovery amount so you pay nothing…..just a faff though
 
Ryker said:
Sounds like you will be getting a debt recovery agency in to get your money back. I had to do something similar when an individual refused to abide by the CCJ. All of their costs get added to the recovery amount so you pay nothing…..just a faff though
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Guess this could end up becoming an exceptionally expensive endeavour . . . but, as you say, certainly not for me!!!
 
JT. said:
Looking at the legislation, it looks like they are only liable if the fault was present when it was sold. So it's not really a warranty as such, it seems more designed to prevent retailers passing off junk as fully working.
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I would have expected this. Your lucky to get a decent warranty on a used car. Never mind a 20 year old machine..
 
A lot of people seem to be very naïve to these "people" despite the number of years they have been doing the same thing.
I entered the hobby in the late 90's and they have been doing the exact same thing since then.
I say "people" because they will change their company name every year or 2, which I will leave you to workout your own reasons why.
I've personally had negative experiences under 3 different company names.

Anyone who wants to say anything positive about them is at some point going to have to take responsibility when something goes wrong, and that person will say "but xzy on Pinball Info said they were nice to deal with"
 
lukewells said:
You don't seem to have worked it out yet, they are not going to pay you.

Company name change in 3......2.......1.......
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Good job that the CCJ isn’t just against the company then, isn’t it? Of course I thought of this in advance, hence why I brought proceedings against the two separate defendants. It’s against both the company and the individual - so what’s he gonna do, change his name as well?! I’ll absolutely go as far as lodging bankruptcy proceedings if that’s what it takes.
 
beccawadkin said:
Good job that the CCJ isn’t just against the company then, isn’t it? Of course I thought of this in advance, hence why I brought proceedings against the two separate defendants. It’s against both the company and the individual - so what’s he gonna do, change his name as well?! I’ll absolutely go as far as lodging bankruptcy proceedings if that’s what it takes.
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Wouldn't you need to win another court case to make them personally liable - i.e. prove misfeasance?
 
JT. said:
Wouldn't you need to win another court case to make them personally liable - i.e. prove misfeasance?
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The original case was already against both parties as joint defendants, hence why the CCJ has been issued against both parties as being jointly liable.
 
lukewells said:
You don't seem to have worked it out yet, they are not going to pay you.

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High Court Enforcement only takes a week, possibly less given there are clear premises/goods to seize.

Changing company name doesn’t matter if it’s the same company number.

If they are trying to create a phoenix company the original has to appoint a liquidator and as there is a CCJ against them you’d be notified and have first (ish) claim on assets.

A lot of people/companies think problems will just go away if they keep ignoring them (and most times it probably works). I’ve had this with a different company and went down the CCJ/HCE route without problem apart from the time wasted. Ultimately it cost them about 3 times what it could have.

PS. To the OP, didn’t you pay for any of this on credit card? With a CCJ it’s a straight full refund from them under section 75.
 
MarkS said:
High Court Enforcement only takes a week, possibly less given there are clear premises/goods to seize.

Changing company name doesn’t matter if it’s the same company number.

If they are trying to create a phoenix company the original has to appoint a liquidator and as there is a CCJ against them you’d be notified and have first (ish) claim on assets.

A lot of people/companies think problems will just go away if they keep ignoring them (and most times it probably works). I’ve had this with a different company and went down the CCJ/HCE route without problem apart from the time wasted. Ultimately it cost them about 3 times what it could have.

PS. To the OP, didn’t you pay for any of this on credit card? With a CCJ it’s a straight full refund from them under section 75.
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I did indeed pay for this on a credit card, but I had never heard about a CCJ enabling an instant full refund under Section 75 before?! I have however just called my credit card company and of course you are absolutely correct - they have just charged back the original £4,250 for me right this very second! Obviously that doesn’t resolve the full amount of the CCJ right now, but it is still a more than adequate start . . . cannot thank you enough for your immensely useful help and advice!!!
 
beccawadkin said:
Good job that the CCJ isn’t just against the company then, isn’t it? Of course I thought of this in advance, hence why I brought proceedings against the two separate defendants. It’s against both the company and the individual - so what’s he gonna do, change his name as well?! I’ll absolutely go as far as lodging bankruptcy proceedings if that’s what it takes.
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Best of luck to you.

You'll be the first person in 26+ years then to get anything out of them.

You were lucky with the credit card refund! Congrats!!!!!!!
 
beccawadkin said:
I did indeed pay for this on a credit card, but I had never heard about a CCJ enabling an instant full refund under Section 75 before?! I have however just called my credit card company and of course you are absolutely correct - they have just charged back the original £4,250 for me right this very second! Obviously that doesn’t resolve the full amount of the CCJ right now, but it is still a more than adequate start . . . cannot thank you enough for your immensely useful help and advice!!!
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Yay!! Chuffed for you and I’m sure they’ll be taking that amount from Williams! :D
 
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beccawadkin said:
I did indeed pay for this on a credit card, but I had never heard about a CCJ enabling an instant full refund under Section 75 before?! I have however just called my credit card company and of course you are absolutely correct - they have just charged back the original £4,250 for me right this very second! Obviously that doesn’t resolve the full amount of the CCJ right now, but it is still a more than adequate start . . . cannot thank you enough for your immensely useful help and advice!!!
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Brilliant!
 
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