Stern price increase.

[AlanJ]

^there are people who can help you get a machine or two on a container from usa. probably the best bet. if you were to try fill a container yourself you’d have to accumulate machines into a storage area in the usa until you had a container full. it all costs time and money.

 

[Deleted member 2463]

Yeah. I've considered that you could potentially hire a shipping container in the US, fill it with pinball machines and send it on a slow boat to Europe.

Don't know how much it would save on NIB Sterns, but I kinda fancied shipping across some old Gottlieb's. There are literally no copies of Black Hole anywhere on public display in Europe - at least, not according to the Pinside map.

That's the thing... outside of cities like San Francisco, middle-class Americans have more space, and money, to spend on stuff like pinball machines. They just have less money to spend on, erm, education and... healthcare. Personally, I think we've got the better deal on that one, but opinions on a pinball forum may vary!

How many times have you been to the USA?

And I doubt we will see containers full of black hole (thank god too).

Neil.


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[Deleted member 2463]

I love the idea of a decent online system but I'll be steering well clear if I have to lose the movie code on JP2

On all new games that will be the case.

Part of the stern upgrade is a TPM node board module (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module )

which means stern will only run signed code moving forward.

Eventually to get new stuff you’ll need the TPM node board.


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[Deleted member 2463]

I think stern will end up working with Scorbit either directly or the Scorbit guys doing something cool.


Nell.


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[huggers]

On all new games that will be the case.

Part of the stern upgrade is a TPM node board module (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module )

which means stern will only run signed code moving forward.

Eventually to get new stuff you’ll need the TPM node board.


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Shame. Complete deal breaker in this instance

 

[VeeMonroe]

How many times have you been to the USA?

And I doubt we will see containers full of black hole (thank god too).

Neil.


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I’ve been to a double figure number of US States and engaged with the healthcare system…

What’s wrong with Black Hole, exactly?

 

[Jay Walker]

What’s wrong with Black Hole, exactly?

One point I recall is the exit from the recessed playfield; it's routed to the r/h outlane. Fine if the return gate's open when entering the lower level, but if not you need to open it before draining from there. Whether to regard this as a requirement for strategic awareness or a cynical design point I couldn't decide.

 

[VeeMonroe]

One point I recall is the exit from the recessed playfield; it's routed to the r/h outlane. Fine if the return gate's open when entering the lower level, but if not you need to open it before draining from there. Whether to regard this as a requirement for strategic awareness or a cynical design point I couldn't decide.

Do you mean that the ball drains immediately down the r/h outlane if you haven’t opened the return gate on the lower playfield before you return to the upper playfield?

 

[Deleted member 2463]

I’ve been to a double figure number of US States and engaged with the healthcare system…

What’s wrong with Black Hole, exactly?

Hmm me also - US healthcare is the finest in the world.


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[VeeMonroe]

Hmm me also - US healthcare is the finest in the world.


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Healthcare systems can only achieve two of three things: cheap, universal and/or good.

The US system manages to be good… most of the time.

 

[Pick Holder]

Stern wont work with scorbit. They want the matket for themselves. They ate well aware of whats round them.

 

[Jay Walker]

Do you mean that the ball drains immediately down the r/h outlane if you haven’t opened the return gate on the lower playfield before you return to the upper playfield?

Yes, the tube that feeds up from the lower playfield emerges above the r/h outlane, and it's necessary to have the wire gate open to survive 'Re-Entry'. In fact, looking at the Ipdb entry, a rule sheet explains that it's possible to begin a 3-ball multiball with two balls on the lower playfield, and lose both if the gate's closed when they're returned to the upper level. And that some popular upper playfield switches close the gate, as could be expected.

 

[VeeMonroe]

Yes, the tube that feeds up from the lower playfield emerges above the r/h outlane, and it's necessary to have the wire gate open to survive 'Re-Entry'. In fact, looking at the Ipdb entry, a rule sheet explains that it's possible to begin a 3-ball multiball with two balls on the lower playfield, and lose both if the gate's closed when they're returned to the upper level. And that some popular upper playfield switches close the gate, as could be expected.

Yeah. It's a game where there's a really tough 'target mode' (as it were - it's not a wizard mode), which requires you to activate a bunch of stuff on two playfields in exactly the right order.

I, personally, tend to like pins that have some ultimate super-hard goal because it stops me getting bored, but it appears that doesn't work for everyone.

As yet, I haven't managed to get multi-ball on the iOS version of Black Hole, but I've got tantalisingly close...