I've just sold a Pinball and it's off to New Zealand. Could be co-incidence?
I have sold 70+ over the years and this is the first export.
I have sold 70+ over the years and this is the first export.
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Pinball Prices
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a few rare titles may trickle abroad. as most new in box are going to private owners who intend to keep them there aren't enough in commercial operation to feed through so supply remains low. a hike in Stern JJP pin NIB prices will mean NIB buyers will have to be more choosey. supply in general seems low even on eBay where most of the machines seem to be EMs or overpriced speculators from abroad. I think demand is stable its the supply that's short. long term its the rock solid themed pins that will hold the value best , Star Wars Star Trek LOTR even GB to some extent. BTTF is already the most desirable alpha numeric game and Simpsons will surely catch up.
The problem is that the overwhelming majority of people are essentially innumerate beyond the most simple calculations and mental arithmetic. Even those who work in finance or have degrees in mathematics typically fail when something isn't immediately intuitive or obvious.
The protest vote is a classic example of this. In a two horse race, the net difference between a vote registered for your desired outcome and a protest vote is ....NOT 1, BUT 2!
Well they were right, effectively. It was a poll. It was an advisory, non-binding plebiscite. Party leadership lack the gumption to kick it into the grass though ... hopefully May will do the sensible thing and call a second referendum in Q1 next year, if not Q4 this. But I fear Leadsom may well win ... the Tory membership have ****ed themselves and the country before in selecting Hague and then IDS over Ken Clarke.
There is some evidence that homeopathy works ... or at least the basic principle may be sound or merits further investigation. But of course the usual pharma lobby shout any mention of it down. The active ingredients apparently hyper-aggregate in a fashion they don't or won't do in higher concentrations. This *may* very significantly increase their efficacy in *some* cases.
Personally I've little if any interest in it though. Nutrition is and always will be the most effective medicine, unless you have limbs hanging off or a hole in your head.
Thought this was about pinball prices..
Dude seriously? Have you ever heard of the placebo response? It's been researched and explored a million times and never shown any signs of being more than chance.
(Standard stats of research are to disprove the null hypothesis where p=0.05 ie. one time in 20, the research result would be achieved by chance)
what you just did was point to a bullseye hit by one of the monkeys and say look, sometimes he plays like Phil Taylor
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What I noticed during the campaign is how 'right' remain voters think they are, which is probably one of the reasons there was a protest vote.
Can't people just have the humility to admit they don't know what is the best option?
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Bloody hell first Facebook became all about politics and the grim prospect of our doomed country , know pinball info has done the same... Why not park this thread under " I don't want to hear any more deprsseing ******** section "
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Would be more than happy with a 'pinball only talk' forum
Politics just winds up people up as it's 'I am right, you are wrong' type arguments.
Pinball prices have got nothing to do with the brexit situation. They have been rising in price for years, and the data graph posted (which isn't even the most recent) is for tracking US sales. They aren't affected by brexit the least bit. But the trend of rising prices and declining availability is a global thing and it's fantastic! Bring it on!
How awesome is it to be in a hobby where the assets of your hobby can be sold on for more than you bought them? I see people crying about pinball prices all the time and quite honestly don't understand it. Try a hobby where the things you buy a worth nothing to the used market, then you'll have a reason to cry over losing money.
The only people who are really affected by rising pinball prices are newbies buying their first machine, but as that doesn't seem to have put anyone off with ever increasing amount of people getting into pinball ownership, it's just good news all around.
Celebrate rising prices!
How awesome is it to be in a hobby where the assets of your hobby can be sold on for more than you bought them? I see people crying about pinball prices all the time and quite honestly don't understand it. Try a hobby where the things you buy a worth nothing to the used market, then you'll have a reason to cry over losing money.
The only people who are really affected by rising pinball prices are newbies buying their first machine, but as that doesn't seem to have put anyone off with ever increasing amount of people getting into pinball ownership, it's just good news all around.
Celebrate rising prices!
1) That has absolutely nothing to do with the placebo effect ... 2) That's incorrect and hyperbole.
3) Further ********.
Essentially anything the medical and pharmaceutical establishment dislike or they feel undermine their existing skillset or profitability is labelled as quackery.
Acupuncture, osteopathy and chiropractic were all until relatively recently put in the same bracket as homoeopathy by the overwhelming majority of doctors and 'scientists' ... despite the fact that there was an abundance of evidence that the former were anything but (unlike homoeopathy). Physiotherapy, even, was sneered at and considered progressive nonsense by many old-schoolers. Now they're all the norm. But it took years of fighting hypocrisy, vested interest, bias and countless people lost the opportunity to be helped.
As another example, though there is a little more acceptance of the importance of nutrition in preventing and treating ailments these days ... Medical professionals, pharmacists and 'scientists' associated with said industries are typically neither trained nor encouraged to give any credence to it or educate themselves. Many spend considerable time, effort and money trying to 'debunk' any notion that it can be helpful in treating disease.
Herbal medicine is still met with howls of laughter from many of said people, despite the fact that many of the drugs they routinely use are either synthetic copies or isolates of natural substances (primarily from plants or fungi).
'Scientists' expound just as much ******** as 'healers' do frequently. The general public, most of whom have no real idea, take a side and then become equally furious if it's challenged. As evidenced by your two responses.
Aside from a few edge cases, I highly doubt homoeopathy is the most efficacious or healthy way to treat almost any ailments, or even remotely expedient, and that's assuming it works in the way it's purported to, and you can find an honest practitioner. But saying there's no possible way it can work or parroting the received wisdom arrived at by various researchers who have a vested interest in disproving it is ridiculous.
I took issue with the original mention of it, because like the recent referendum campaign, discussion surrounding it or mentions of it are bound up in hysteria and half-truths or outright lies.
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I recon some of my pins will go up a little bit and some will go down a little bit. If they stay the same I consider that winning....
Wow, getting intense......! I think we all need to agree that, like pinball machines, we all have preferences....where one finds pleasure in some, others will not.......society seems to prejudice against those who are different and thus everyone tries to conform to what could be deemed as the norm....even though they disagree at heart......I just bought an RCT...do I care what the forum says...not really....sometimes I want to play a pin where my brain doesn't need to work out what to do....a game where I just want to have a quick blast.........also bought a STTNG...loved playing it but certainly hard work....and bizarrely more hard work than my old TZ.......am I an idiot...who cares as long as I am happy! Life is too short.....just enjoy it and make the most of your time as you might be dead tomorrow.....or get caught buying a Popeye pin.....
Pin availability will always be an ever decreasing circle......think about cars....some of the ones I have owned are now worth 5 times what I sold them for. Whilst restorers will keep the supply of good ones going, more will fall into dis-repair over time until only good ones are left, all of which had thousands spent on them, thus owners will want to get their money back out of them...New pins will probably drop in price short term as there is little rarity and a higher supply....give it time we will all be here saying 'remember when you could buy a GB for just 5k......and a ToTAN was a snip at 4k.....you are already doing this....so little reason it will change in the next 5 years....
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ducks, why do you scorn 'scientists' by putting them in quotes? that just reminds me of Homer Simpson scoffing at 'educayshun'.
i know what the placebo response is, and the nocebo response. and sure, i'm part of the medical establishment by my education and training and experience, but i am plenty happy to accept anything that has evidence to back it up. acupuncture was tested, and passed. i dunno about chiropracters and osteopathy, seriously i have no idea, never seen any research (though i've heard plenty of horror stories, these are all just anecdotal like the magic cure stories). nutrition, herbal medicine, all very powerful tools that nobody scoffs at because they pass all the tests. physiotherapy is hardly in the same boat as homeopathy, be fair with your analogies.
but you're missing the point - homeopathy is like healing through prayer (or anything to do with religion really), there have been literally hundreds of properly designed research studies desperately trying to give them a chance in unbiased (or biased) experiments, but they have proven again and again to be no different than a placebo; occasionally a study shows some promising results and people get excited, but attempts to recreate it just fail, proving that if you throw enough darts you will score bullseyes, and that if the participants of research think they will improve, they do - it's the power of the mind in healing, well known and accepted. even by those evil 'doctors'. it's called the placebo response.
homeopathy (since we're arguing about that now) just doesn't stand up to scrutiny, sorry. no doubt an honest practitioner of it believes it works, and that positive vibe that he/she projects may well have a positive effect - but when a molecule is diluted so far down that there are zero molecules of it left in the '6x' dilution prescribed by these snake oil sellers, i reserve the right to mock it mercilessly, and the only way you can sensibly counter is with evidence, otherwise just go and look for the invisible black cat, in a dark room with the lights off..... that doesn't exist. in a church.
i suppose this comes back to the original point about evidence and predicting what will happen to pinball prices, and then it spiralled off into whether we can trust the experts or not about economic predictions after Brexit ...... as far as i know, there haven't been any retrospective assessments of how accurate economists' predictions were ..... but no doubt someone will know.
i can't see pinball prices falling anytime soon. and i'm not about to panic about Brexit.
i know what the placebo response is, and the nocebo response. and sure, i'm part of the medical establishment by my education and training and experience, but i am plenty happy to accept anything that has evidence to back it up. acupuncture was tested, and passed. i dunno about chiropracters and osteopathy, seriously i have no idea, never seen any research (though i've heard plenty of horror stories, these are all just anecdotal like the magic cure stories). nutrition, herbal medicine, all very powerful tools that nobody scoffs at because they pass all the tests. physiotherapy is hardly in the same boat as homeopathy, be fair with your analogies.
but you're missing the point - homeopathy is like healing through prayer (or anything to do with religion really), there have been literally hundreds of properly designed research studies desperately trying to give them a chance in unbiased (or biased) experiments, but they have proven again and again to be no different than a placebo; occasionally a study shows some promising results and people get excited, but attempts to recreate it just fail, proving that if you throw enough darts you will score bullseyes, and that if the participants of research think they will improve, they do - it's the power of the mind in healing, well known and accepted. even by those evil 'doctors'. it's called the placebo response.
homeopathy (since we're arguing about that now) just doesn't stand up to scrutiny, sorry. no doubt an honest practitioner of it believes it works, and that positive vibe that he/she projects may well have a positive effect - but when a molecule is diluted so far down that there are zero molecules of it left in the '6x' dilution prescribed by these snake oil sellers, i reserve the right to mock it mercilessly, and the only way you can sensibly counter is with evidence, otherwise just go and look for the invisible black cat, in a dark room with the lights off..... that doesn't exist. in a church.
i suppose this comes back to the original point about evidence and predicting what will happen to pinball prices, and then it spiralled off into whether we can trust the experts or not about economic predictions after Brexit ...... as far as i know, there haven't been any retrospective assessments of how accurate economists' predictions were ..... but no doubt someone will know.
i can't see pinball prices falling anytime soon. and i'm not about to panic about Brexit.
Well said Dan getting fed up reading this sh1te let's get back to proper pinball stuff.
Are you coming to mine tomorrow, John? Pinball, beer and pizzas. Probably tennis on the telly for a bit.
Lets hope
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