Machines stolen in Australia

[Multiballs]

As a security surveyor for 15 years, if someone wants to break into/get something, they will. No exceptions. I've encountered the most extreme measures you can imagine from driving through brick walls, poisoning dogs, threatening owner/employees/security guards with knives/guns etc. etc.



The ONLY thing you can do is limit the amount of time someone has on site to steal the items they want, through monitored CCTV (to visually verify the incident) or approved intruder alarm with URN to achieve automatic police response. Fortunately, pins aren't usually that quick to shift so quantity loss can sometimes be limited with these measures in place.

You may get that in run down areas.. but not in & around me.



Each postcode is different.

 

[Calimori]

Good post JMP. There are many things that can reduce the likelihood and then the other things that can reduce the impact by limiting what can be achieve or worst case, increases the chance they will be caught. CCTV requires you to be a victim already but has its valid place as a counter measure.

Criminals travel between postcodes and don't take them into consideration when they are targeting something. They also know that people with money have things to sell, that might make them more organised in their attack too.

I met a guy who can pick a standard yale lock in 8 seconds having not seen it before. It was a real eye opener that something so recognised as being a security device was so trivially bypassed. I occasionally do threat modelling and risk assessments for secure sites and it amazes me what appears to be secure to start with, can be bypassed with knowledge and time and social engineering.

It has allowed me to be less ignorant about my home security, that doesn't mean my house can't be broken into, but the sort of person who could is limited. Plus my pinball machine doesn't fit easily through my kitchen door so that will slow them down.

 

[JMP]

You may get that in run down areas.. but not in & around me.



Each postcode is different.

Are you joking, you're in Blackpool ! I've been to your premise... the road you live on may be OK but you're within miles of some right **** holes. No offence, I'm trying to give you advice from experience. You've got to distinguish between the local amateur scrout looking for some cash for his next fix and professional thieves who target somewhere, arrive tooled up, in numbers and with van(s) to move items quickly.



Areas can vary of course, take Cumbria and the Lake District but even there one of my biggest problems is professional thieves hitting stores etc. simply as security can be lighter (due to anticipated lower crime) and police taking longer to respond.



Again, the bonus with pins is that they're not quick to shift (compared to things like Gortex Jackets and tobacco etc. etc.) and the market is more limited to sell on.

 

[Multiballs]

I don't need advice.. I have fact at hand..Brew?



Don't make this all about me.

 

[JMP]

It has allowed me to be less ignorant about my home security, that doesn't mean my house can't be broken into, but the sort of person who could is limited. Plus my pinball machine doesn't fit easily through my kitchen door so that will slow them down.

Thanks Calimori. Interesting read, narrow doorways can be very useful !

You're quite right, my advice to people is to complete security as discussed above but not to rely on it completely. Security simply makes your premise less attractive to have go at than the next one..... then hopefully, they'll go elsewhere.



Remember also that arming up your premise physically, more than others nearby can highlight you've got something nice in there ! Discreet security can be wise in some situations.

 

[Multiballs]

Again.. This thread is about a business which may no longer run as he was not insured.

 

[Calimori]

Ah yes, the difference between a deterrent and a beacon that says "look at me, I have something interesting".

 

[JMP]

I don't need advice.. I have fact at hand..Brew?



Don't make this all about me.

Ah, not intended and I don't mean to have a go or anything.

Just reading your quips above and confidence of not getting touched is something I get day in, day out. People tell me all the time 'they'll never get through that padlock'.... 'that safe will never be lifted'.... etc. Yet have first hand experience of exactly the opposite.



Anyway keep up the good security, I would just recommend you weren't so over confident !

 

[Multiballs]

As & when it happens you'll be the 1st i'll call for advice.

 

[JMP]

Again.. This thread is about a business which may no longer run as he was not insured.

Well yes, that wasn't a risk worth taking IMO.

As & when it happens you'll be the 1st i'll call for advice.

Anytime.

No tempting fate now.....

 

[Judge Dreads]

If you are paranoid about someone stealing your pinball, don't bother with big locks, security cameras or a guard dog............just buy a Gilligan's Island and enjoy a good night of uninterrupted sleep

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[wayne g]

If you are paranoid about someone stealing your pinball, don't bother with big locks, security cameras or a guard dog............just buy a Gilligan's Island and enjoy a good night of uninterrupted sleep

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lol

mine are insured but mor for the worries of fire or flood etc rather than theft.

if my house were to get turned over i would be far more worried about irreplaceable stuff as opposed to pins if im honest.