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Do you want a pinball club in Blackpool?

How often would you want to play pinball at a Blackpool club

  • Weekly

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Monthly

    Votes: 10 17.2%
  • Every 2 Months

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • Every 3 months

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Every 6 months

    Votes: 6 10.3%
  • Annually

    Votes: 17 29.3%
  • Less / Never

    Votes: 16 27.6%

  • Total voters
    58
Isn’t it actually easier if your partner doesn’t play as they can look after the family whilst you can go play?

You can return the compliment when they might want to go do something you don’t want to.

Back on topic, I hope @lukewells can find a way of making this happen. There seems to be some very cheap commercial property in Blackpool. I was looking at B&Bs / small hotels for sale and there were huge places at half the price of most other places in the UK. Maybe Blackpool is more suitable for a venture like this?
 
Think you're bang on there David. Sad reality.... but still, the lack of support and interest from fairly local Northerners that could reach this venue has been staggering. Luke has an amazing collection of rare games and classics plus DMD titles that can be rotated. With Level in Preston offering the modern Sterns on pay per play, you'd have hoped this would nicely complement it as access to machines never seen or played before. 🤷‍♂️

It's similar all over. As great as the pinball community is, they don't tend to support venues in the way you'd expect. I'm sure it's nothing personal and I'm guilty of it.

Before I owned pins I used to regularly go to PBR (then flip out) maybe twice a month to freeplay. Now I don't feel any desire to go to any pinball location for freeplay. I'll make an effort for comps but down south we're lucky there's so many comps and leagues that it's almost too much .

I suppose the pinball scene just isn't big enough to sustain a venue without a big team or committee putting their money into it for the love of it.

Sounds negative but it's been a real struggle with the pinball office and we get lots of public most weekends.
 
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It's similar all over. As great as the pinball community is, they don't tend to support venues in the way you'd expect. I'm sure it's nothing personal and I'm guilty of it.

Before I owned pins I used to regularly go to PBR (then flip out) maybe twice a month to freeplay. Now I don't feel any desire to go to any pinball location for freeplay. I'll make an effort for comps but down south we're lucky there's so many comps and leagues that it's almost too much .

I suppose the pinball scene just isn't big enough to sustain a venue without a big team or committee putting their money into it for the love of it.

Sounds negative but it's been a real struggle with the pinball office and we get lots of public most weekends.
Yes, my 'take' is that PBR works because it's primarily a community. It has a local-ish social scene of pinball players (not necessarily home owners) within an hour's drive/public transport of Croydon. PBR itself has pins, volunteering and ownership shared between ten people who evidently knew each other beforehand (the founders will know better about this than me). There is a core group of members who have sustained the club during its closure with continuing memberships, donations and even helping paint/fit out the new venue. You also get 'walk-in' players and regulars on weekends who aren't part of the existing membership, but might become part of it. The number of casuals may increase now it's in a shopping centre - rather than down a bumpy dirt track in an industrial estate!

We have about eight machines at home, but I go out (mostly) to PBR to play different machines, play in competitions and hang out socially with regulars. It is a club, first and foremost. The Medway Pinball Club feels like something of a spinoff of the original PBR venue - it shares a founder - and is also focused around community events.

I think the 'Blackpool' venue idea would work best if @lukewells:
  • Found someone else (or several someone's) to collaborate with, ideally someone with a slightly different collection.
    • First, it means all the work of running and funding the club isn't down to him, and the club doesn't fold if he's abruptly ill or busy;
    • Second, clubs work best if they have a selection of pins from different eras. I've noticed from doing London and SE League (primarily) that collectors often like a particular period or theme or gameplay style, and you're cutting down the number of people in an already small hobby if everything is pre-00s or modern Sterns or EMs or whatever. One of the big 'draws' to PBR when I first got into pinball was encountering the iconic 90s pins I'd already played on the Williams app. Other people will remember pins from the 80s, or have played a couple of modern Sterns.
  • Situate the club somewhere in the north of England to reach the maximum possible community of existing players, whether central to drive to or take the train. In my experience with people playing pins in my house, and chatting to walk-up players on location, very few people walk off the street into a pinball venue and come weekly from then-on in. You might get a few of walk-in nostalgia players if you had Flash Gordon, The Addam's Family and Stern Star Wars in a glass window in a prominent position on the Blackpool seafront, along with gameplay instructions stuck up next to each pin (and the owners taught people who walk in off the street), but that's expensive, exhausting for the volunteers, and not the main way people seem to come into clubs.
  • Organise as a community club first and a pinball venue second. Casual competitions, new pin launch evenings, etc. seem to be a great way to get people to emotionally invest. Otherwise, as @David_Vi says, you're expecting people to commit to making potentially long round trips purely to play pinball when they already have pins at home!
 
Yes, my 'take' is that PBR works because it's primarily a community. It has a local-ish social scene of pinball players (not necessarily home owners) within an hour's drive/public transport of Croydon. PBR itself has pins, volunteering and ownership shared between ten people who evidently knew each other beforehand (the founders will know better about this than me). There is a core group of members who have sustained the club during its closure with continuing memberships, donations and even helping paint/fit out the new venue. You also get 'walk-in' players and regulars on weekends who aren't part of the existing membership, but might become part of it. The number of casuals may increase now it's in a shopping centre - rather than down a bumpy dirt track in an industrial estate!

We have about eight machines at home, but I go out (mostly) to PBR to play different machines, play in competitions and hang out socially with regulars. It is a club, first and foremost. The Medway Pinball Club feels like something of a spinoff of the original PBR venue - it shares a founder - and is also focused around community events.

I think the 'Blackpool' venue idea would work best if @lukewells:
  • Found someone else (or several someone's) to collaborate with, ideally someone with a slightly different collection.
    • First, it means all the work of running and funding the club isn't down to him, and the club doesn't fold if he's abruptly ill or busy;
    • Second, clubs work best if they have a selection of pins from different eras. I've noticed from doing London and SE League (primarily) that collectors often like a particular period or theme or gameplay style, and you're cutting down the number of people in an already small hobby if everything is pre-00s or modern Sterns or EMs or whatever. One of the big 'draws' to PBR when I first got into pinball was encountering the iconic 90s pins I'd already played on the Williams app. Other people will remember pins from the 80s, or have played a couple of modern Sterns.
  • Situate the club somewhere in the north of England to reach the maximum possible community of existing players, whether central to drive to or take the train. In my experience with people playing pins in my house, and chatting to walk-up players on location, very few people walk off the street into a pinball venue and come weekly from then-on in. You might get a few of walk-in nostalgia players if you had Flash Gordon, The Addam's Family and Stern Star Wars in a glass window in a prominent position on the Blackpool seafront, along with gameplay instructions stuck up next to each pin (and the owners taught people who walk in off the street), but that's expensive, exhausting for the volunteers, and not the main way people seem to come into clubs.
  • Organise as a community club first and a pinball venue second. Casual competitions, new pin launch evenings, etc. seem to be a great way to get people to emotionally invest. Otherwise, as @David_Vi says, you're expecting people to commit to making potentially long round trips purely to play pinball when they already have pins at home!

This is not a new idea, it is something I have been talking about for years. I would love for other people to share the cost/responsibility, but there are no takers. So far it's me or no-one.
There are other people doing successful things at videogame focused venues (such as Arcade Club) but not pinball.

The machines I have are the machines I have, so those are the machines I can use. It wouldn't make financial sense to buy even one machine specifically for the club as the cost would never be recovered. I understand that not everyone wants to play my machines and I am very light on modern LCD games

As I will be responsible for 100% of the running and maintaining machines, the only location that works for me is one that is within a few miles of my house, else I'm not going to be travelling long distances to go work on the machines multiple days per week

We don't have central locations with trains in the North. Public transport is near non-existent compared to London. 100% of people would be driving, so being outside of a town/with free parking is far more important of a consideration (as people in this thread have already expressed)
 
Isn’t it actually easier if your partner doesn’t play as they can look after the family whilst you can go play?

You can return the compliment when they might want to go do something you don’t want to.

Back on topic, I hope @lukewells can find a way of making this happen. There seems to be some very cheap commercial property in Blackpool. I was looking at B&Bs / small hotels for sale and there were huge places at half the price of most other places in the UK. Maybe Blackpool is more suitable for a venture like this?

The property market is very weird in Blackpool since Covid.
There are cheap properties in Blackpool for sure, but they tend to be in the VERY rough areas. During/post Covid the prices in the nicer areas increased 200-300% for some reason.
At the end of 2019 I was in the process of looking at buying a large property which would have also included a pinball venue, but those plans were ruined by the near instant tripling or prices. Now nothing big enough in a non-crack-den area is in my budget to buy
 
This is not a new idea, it is something I have been talking about for years. I would love for other people to share the cost/responsibility, but there are no takers. So far it's me or no-one.
There are other people doing successful things at videogame focused venues (such as Arcade Club) but not pinball.

The machines I have are the machines I have, so those are the machines I can use. It wouldn't make financial sense to buy even one machine specifically for the club as the cost would never be recovered. I understand that not everyone wants to play my machines and I am very light on modern LCD games

As I will be responsible for 100% of the running and maintaining machines, the only location that works for me is one that is within a few miles of my house, else I'm not going to be travelling long distances to go work on the machines multiple days per week

We don't have central locations with trains in the North. Public transport is near non-existent compared to London. 100% of people would be driving, so being outside of a town/with free parking is far more important of a consideration (as people in this thread have already expressed)
At risk of telling you everything you already know, have you tried to actively recruit a co-owner/helper at Pinfest or the Northern League or similar? :)

I wasn't suggesting you bought extra pins for the club. I was suggesting you found a northern equivalent to Deleted User 406 (Neil) who would be happy to host more modern machines at your venue along with your own ones, and help out with volunteering at the venue/repairs/restocking the vending machine. Your best bet, though, is another northern pinhead with a large collection who'd prefer to keep pins on location than in a lockup.

@Hiltoncriss started The Pinball Office as a lone venture in a unit/units in the same building as his workplace. I take my hat off to him because the work of cleaning/repairing and prepping all those machines, weekend after weekend, is exhausting just thinking about it and he also seems to find time to be a serious cyclist!!! My understanding is @Happypin now helps out too and, of course, @David_Vi and @Lecari also run league events there.

Keeping machines working under serious hammer on location is major work. Even prepping our seven (working) machines for a tournament takes three weekends beforehand to deal with any recurrent faults, and inevitably a machine needs fixing either during - or just after - the event. At minimum, you need someone prepared to sit reading a book from time-to-time while you're open and a friendly pin-tech on call. @MajesticPinball now does maintenance for PBR. Before that, Robin Kemp was doing it and, while he was ill, about a third of the pins were down at any one time.

Not trying to put you off (the opposite), but you should be asking "Can you help me run a pinball club in Blackpool?" not "Does anyone want one?" Network your way to success! 😍
 
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Think you're bang on there David. Sad reality.... but still, the lack of support and interest from fairly local Northerners that could reach this venue has been staggering. Luke has an amazing collection of rare games and classics plus DMD titles that can be rotated. With Level in Preston offering the modern Sterns on pay per play, you'd have hoped this would nicely complement it as access to machines never seen or played before. 🤷‍♂️
People can tend to be negative/cautious as a rule. Don't let this put you off, once you have a venue in place with regular meet ups people will come just as they do for the Northern meets. If you add a league or regular comps with IFPA points you'll be surprised how quickly the numbers rise.
 
Unfortunately at this time it does not seem that there is enough demand from the pinball community for regular events in Blackpool for me to be able to confidently sign a lease by the deadline today.

After speaking with others who have made a success of this in other parts of the country, to make this viable, my main focus would have to be on attracting the general public and not on the pinball community, this is the exact opposite of what I had envisioned, so I would need to adjust my plans to cater for that.

Thankyou to those who did contact me with enthusiasm or advice.

This is not over, it is just on hold.

In the meantime, I am happy to hear from anyone who has ideas on how to make it work, or from anyone who wants to be involved.

I will continue to look at possible venues in the background and review the situation in a few months time
 
Probably for the best Luke, it’s not worth putting yourself at financial risk for a community that may not be able to support you as required to pay the bills.

I hope with some tinkering you’ll find a way to make this happen in some guise. You have an amazing collection and it would be great to be able to share it in some form.
 
We are visiting Blackpool this weekend, staying in Village Hotel, is there any pins in the strip? Seen loads of arcades when driving down this evening!
 
There is only really arcade club, I believe there is a Houdini in walterz entertainment centre but can’t say I’ve been.
levels in Preston is your best bet although it’s 20 mins from Blackpool.
 
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