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Williams firepower issue

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Simon barker

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Hi all.i have a friends firepower by William's to look at,this is not my thing as im more for dmd type.anyway the pin went dead,no displays or switched lights.all you get is generally illumination.there is no sign of heat or component damage and all fuses check good out of circuit.any ideas please,I dont have a manual so cant check if needed voltages are present.
 
So mpu not booting. what is status of the 2 leds on the mpu board when you switch on?

The mpu needs 12v and 5v from the power board to boot. you could check those two voltages are present.
 
search for williams system 3-9 games iirc they are all similar and yo right get more luck in terms of solutions, could be a fuse but most likely capacitors full board repair would set you back around 350 and new boards similar but it could be something simple,ps arv knows best on this stuff so follow his sage advice
 
Simon, if it turns out your MPU is toast I do have a Rottendog MPU327 combo MPU/driver board available that I bought 18 months ago and only used while the boards in my Alien Poker was off for repair, so has been sat in my spares box for the last 17 months!

Looking back at the invoice from Pinball Palace I see I paid £284.40 inc postage for it, yours for £175 inc postage.

Definitely do all @Arv has said in terms of diagnosis and I’d also say professional repair of original non-corroded boards is preferable to a Rottendog repo, but if you do end up needing a replacement let me know.

Andy
 
When you turn the game on and the seven segment display just stay in zero without any blink or flash, that means that the CPU either isn't booting, isn't resetting, or has locked up attempting to boot. Common problems are bad CPU sockets or a bad inter-board interconnect board. If it blink one time and then stay in zero, that means there is a rom problem or socket problem.
The diagnostic code in the seven segment display only is realiable only if the game is booting properly.. and this game without any cpu controlled light or displays seems to not be booting. So you cant trust in that code. BTW. the numer one means that the IC13 RAM 2114 fault or IC20 ROM bad.

You can check the voltages in the cpu here:
  • TP1 = +12 VDC unreg. (upper left)
  • TP2 = NMI, +5 VDC (center bottom) It should read 0 VDC when diagnostic switch SW1 is pressed.
  • TP3 = Memory Protect (left center) +5 VDC when interlock closed, 0 VDC when interlock open.
  • TP4 = Blanking (left bottom, just to right of batteries) +5 VDC normal operation, 0 VDC blanking (when first turned on for about 1 second).
  • TP7 = CMOS RAM B+ (just under TP3) +4.3 VDC when power on, +3.9 VDC when power is off. If this is low, your batteries are low.
  • TP8 = RESET (right bottom) 0 VDC for first second that power is on, +5 VDC after that.
  • TP9 = +5 VDC (lower left, just at the upper right corner of batteries)
 
Yes, the TP are marked on the board. Those are for a system 7 board (with the 7 segment display on the board)
 
Sorry for delay,been busy working.anyway,all said voltages at test points are correct.no batteries fitted at moment.the guy said it just died while playing.its in very good cond.owned last 12 years and little use.
 
Bad interconector or bad rom socket. They was not made to last for ever and is a common problem on this boards.
 
So I have all voltages and as the board is not booting I guess it will be a main ic that runs the board.its not like it's running but with issues,so where will I get ic 13 and ic 20 to try,thanks all
 
As the CPU is not booting, the error code are not realiable. What kind of sockets this machine has? Scanbe socket must be changed, also the inteconnector. To get a better diagnostic use some test Rom, Leon or Andre Boots test rom.
 
I've had boards out and seperated them,quite a few dry solder joints so sucked old solder off and refloated them,but still getting nothing and a zero on board display.this is not for me so will have to ship it out.
 
So I've advised owner to collect and ditch the boards and get a combo PCB from pinball paradise.which will be much better than what's in.so you will need to contact him if you want to buy it.thanks again for advise but it's like getting a 90 year old to do Olympics.as regards old boards.
 
Williams boards could be very realiable, but they need a proper renvovation: new sockets, new roms, new interconnector, new connectors, etc. Fixing them is always a nice project.
 
Hi all,cant get on for sale section,but he wants 3000 for the firepower.if you want pics then please give an email and I will send some.its in very good cond,let me know.
 
Simon barker said:
Hi all,cant get on for sale section,but he wants 3000 for the firepower.if you want pics then please give an email and I will send some.its in very good cond,let me know.
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I have say that I’d expect a Firepower one AND two, both very nice and working, for that money though. :oops:
 
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