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White Water - What would you do?

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Mark

H all,

I was going to post this in he technical section, but I am more interested in an opinion than a technical solution......

My White Water has this thing where when the ball is kicked onto the upper playfield by the VUK, about 25% of the time the ball rolls to the left due to "backspin" rather than rolling onto the right flipper.

I have seen suggestions that you can put a rubber on the wireframe to reduce this, but I have tried and not had any success. Anyway, I thought I was going to have to live with this but today I played another White Water where someone had obviouly used a lower power coil for this VUK to resolve the issue. This meant the ball dropped slowly onto the upper playfield and did not have any backspin! The downside was sometimes it took a few kicks to get the ball up there.

So, my question is is it be preferable to a) get onto the playfield easily but have the backspin (as it does not) or should I b) downgrade the coil to resolve the backspin issue, but potentially take more kicks to get the ball up?

Many thanks,

Mark
 
I wouldn't downgrade the coil.

Is it worth trying a mylar patch on the landing zone ?

Or is it possible to slightly adjust the wireform position/shape ...not sure it is with that one.

Or to slightly adjust the strike angle of the VUK ?

Good luck on yr mission soldier :cool:

Touch wood ...never had that happen on either of my White Waters.
 
If the ball has backspin on it then that suggests the VUK is striking the ball off centre and imparting spin. Have you tried adjusting the VUK mech from under the pf so that the rod that strikes the ball hits it dead centre?
 
Don't listen to those 2 Mark. Just straight trade your WH20 with me for BoP and never have to worry about that pesky stupid problem ever again. Bet it's making you sick isn't it, be glad to see the back of it won't you;-)
 
Thanks Sgt, good advice - funnily enough a previous owner has fitted a round metal "plug" immediately under where the ball lands. It looks extremely professional, in fact for a long time I thought it was how they came fitted from the factory! I would never have thought about downgrading the coil, it was only that the one I played today had that done and played really well (however the one coil I would definitely recommend downgrading is the lost mine kickout - makes the ball much more manageable!)

Hi Ron, thanks for the comments. I have checked the mechanism and all seems ok. I think the ball fires up with the plunger in the centre, but it is the ball "rolling" around the inside of the wireframe that gives it the spin, rather than the plunger hitting it off centre, if that makes sense! I did try once cutting some small rubbers and putting them in the wire frame but they either didn't touch the ball, or blocked it - I couldn't find anything in between. The reason I thought about it today is playing a machine where the ball ALWAYS rolls to the left vastly improved my score!

Hi Gaz, thanks for that - and to be honest BoP is one of the machines that a) falls into my price range and b) I have not already had! Will have a think, but to be honest WH20 is the machine I've had longest as I still really enjoy the game so was not thinking of moving it on just yet! Still if you want to send me over any pics it wouldn't do any harm!

Talking of swapping/buying machines, am I the only person who immediately removes any LED's and replaces them with #555 / #44's etc?

Cheers, Mark
 
Is it possible that the landing area is actually bouncing the ball in that direction? or is this deffo a spin issue?
 
Hi Matt, I'm pretty sure it is a spin issue as the ball usually rolls (spins) slightly to the left, then back to the right. Or, sometimes keeps going left! Where the ball lands seems completely flat (it is smooth metal).

Cheers, Mark.
 
I only ask because many of these have an indentation on the playfield, the fact that the ball rolls left but sometimes comes back could be because of either spin or direction of bounce. It sounds though that yours has been repaired somehow in the past. (have you tried raising the angle at all?)
 
This is what somebody posted on Pinside as a solution to this problem.
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Hi Matt, I will have a closer look later to see if it id definitely spin, but I'm pretty sure it is. Yes, it looks like mine has been repaired but the round metal "plug" that the ball hits looks quite professional - I thought they were all like that! Will try and take a pic later :)

Hi Andrew, long time no speak! Unfortunately I no longer have the Flintstones, but I would have one again if I got the chance. Hope you are well anyway! Thanks for that pic - I have tried to do this before but not sure what I did wrong but could not get it to work. I tried different size rubbers but they either did not touch the ball, or blocked it. I might give it a try as that does seem like the easiest way to stop the spin, if that is the issue.

Thanks again for the advice!
 
Mark said:
Hi Matt, I will have a closer look later to see if it id definitely spin, but I'm pretty sure it is. Yes, it looks like mine has been repaired but the round metal "plug" that the ball hits looks quite professional - I thought they were all like that! Will try and take a pic later :)

Hi Andrew, long time no speak! Unfortunately I no longer have the Flintstones, but I would have one again if I got the chance. Hope you are well anyway! Thanks for that pic - I have tried to do this before but not sure what I did wrong but could not get it to work. I tried different size rubbers but they either did not touch the ball, or blocked it. I might give it a try as that does seem like the easiest way to stop the spin, if that is the issue.

Thanks again for the advice!
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Howdy Mark. I didn't realise it was you.
You have certainly got through a few machines since we last spoke ! Still not got your hands on a No Good Gofers ?
 
Hi Andrew, yes I have got through a few - to be honest I didnt realise quite how many until I started to list them in my signature. Actually thanks for reminding me - I had a mint NGG (from Chris B) but didnt remember it when I was making my list. Will add it now :-) So how are you?
Cheers, Mark
 
Mark said:
Hi Andrew, yes I have got through a few - to be honest I didnt realise quite how many until I started to list them in my signature. Actually thanks for reminding me - I had a mint NGG (from Chris B) but didnt remember it when I was making my list. Will add it now :) So how are you?
Cheers, Mark
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I'm good mate. One pin shy of my maximum (seven) which I need to rectify.

Andrew.
 
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