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What Pinball Would You Like To See Remade ?

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With all the talk (on Pinside) that it will be either Monster Bash or Attack From Mars next on the remake agenda, what would you like to see remade ?

If they made Fathom and Centaur for a reasonable cost I would be looking at buying both.
 
Realistically, you are looking at a title that can command north of 4 grand in the used market

This is why mmr got done, as the market showed demand at that kind of price point for that particular title

So much as i would love to see fathom or centaur. You would be looking at a top end wpc game like monster bash, cirqus voltaire, gilligan's island, popeye ...

Well, maybe two of those above
 
DRD said:
Realistically, you are looking at a title that can command north of 4 grand in the used market

This is why mmr got done, as the market showed demand at that kind of price point for that particular title

So much as i would love to see fathom or centaur. You would be looking at a top end wpc game like monster bash, cirqus voltaire, gilligan's island, popeye ...

Well, maybe two of those above
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I think an older SS game could be made a lot cheaper than a WPC. The lack of ramps and playfield toys should keep the costs down.
We know that the playfields and plastics can be done at a reasonable cost. Most of the boards have been re-manufactured. The displays are available. Cabinets are easy. What does that leave ? The wiring loom and the metal work. Both can be out sourced cheaply to the Far East.
 
Sgt GrizZ said:
Don't personally care for remakes. MMr was prob one of the least exciting announcements for me in recent years. As for MB or AFM or XYZ?....yawn. Don't look back. Forward ..... troops ....forward :cool:
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But they seem to be running out of steam on new ideas. Every other new pin is either an ageing rock band or a super hero theme. Bleh.
 
I quite enjoyed playing Gilligan's Island when it first came out. :eek:
 
We had this discussion on Pinside about what early pin to remake but the consensus was it would be fairly expensive and people wouldn't pay for an expensive "old" game when it is closer in price to a new game. Shame really as there would quite a few worthy candidates.
 
CliveP said:
We had this discussion on Pinside about what early pin to remake but the consensus was it would be fairly expensive and people wouldn't pay for an expensive "old" game when it is closer in price to a new game. Shame really as there would quite a few worthy candidates.
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Hi Clive. How did you come to the conclusion that it would be fairly expensive ?
I would have thought that with modern production techniques it could be done for a reasonable cost.
Just as a rough guide, let's try Centaur.
These are cost estimates and some of it is out of my area of knowledge.

Playfields have been done recently so it is a matter of routing, inserts, printing and clearcoating. CPR have finished playfields on their sit for as little as $600 retail. Estimate at cost around $400 ?
Plastic sets approx $100.
Cabinet. $600.
Loom and light sockets. $100.
Modern board set. $300.
Wire work. $100.
Playfield mechanisms (flippers, slings, pops, trough). $200.
Displays. $200.

So far we are at about $2000 for parts. I would say the key to keeping the assembly costs down would be to get them assembled in China.

I certainly think it is do-able.
 
People were happy to pay £6500 for a new MM instead of £6500 for a used One

No one is going to pay £6500 for a new AFM/MB when you can buy a used one for £4K ish though
 
jonathan said:
People were happy to pay £6500 for a new MM instead of £6500 for a used One

No one is going to pay £6500 for a new AFM/MB when you can buy a used one for £4K ish though
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I agree, they won't get away with charging that again.
 
If Whiz bang can be shifting Whoa Nelly at its daft price and its technically an EM , maybe just maybe Greg and Dennis could persuade Stern to remake Fathom as the game is a work of art and impossible to get in mint original condition.
 
Cactus Canyon remake would be awesome, but the MM remake hasn't been built properly IMO so I wouldn't buy one even if they did. Original design boards with through hole construction, dual wound flipper coils and lamps you can actually change are all essential features to me. I would rather restore a beaten up original and end up with a better machine in the end for half the price!
 
I had a really good look at Whoa Nelly (inside) and as much as I really like the game, I would be surprised if it cost more than £1K to make, so with modern assembly techniques, and reduced cost serial wiring that everyone is going with, why would an old single level Bally/Williams not be doable for the same?


Look at the (ex vat) price that Heighway games are selling their Full Throttle at, compared to a Stern pro, bearing in mind that Full Throttle looks significantly more advanced compared to your current Stern Pro cost saving games. Assuming Andy's business plan has enough profit to earn a living and keep his factory going, it shows that even advanced games can be made for a reasonable price.
 
steve brum said:
If Whiz bang can be shifting Whoa Nelly at its daft price and its technically an EM , maybe just maybe Greg and Dennis could persuade Stern to remake Fathom as the game is a work of art and impossible to get in mint original condition.
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I have a mint fathom.....but the playfield is not original.....agree it's an absolute work of art.....another forum member asked me about it the other day so I set it up at the weekend.....forgotten how great a game it is........."DIVE.....DIVE...FATHOM!......:clap:;):)
 
lukewells said:
I had a really good look at Whoa Nelly (inside) and as much as I really like the game, I would be surprised if it cost more than £1K to make, so with modern assembly techniques, and reduced cost serial wiring that everyone is going with, why would an old single level Bally/Williams not be doable for the same?


Look at the (ex vat) price that Heighway games are selling their Full Throttle at, compared to a Stern pro, bearing in mind that Full Throttle looks significantly more advanced compared to your current Stern Pro cost saving games. Assuming Andy's business plan has enough profit to earn a living and keep his factory going, it shows that even advanced games can be made for a reasonable price.
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I agree entirely. The profit margin on that MM remake must be huge.
 
Trouble is, it might only cost a grand to remake a popular older game, but who with access to all the tooling and skills and parts would do it unless they'd make an absolute ****ing killing by selling it for a fortune?
 
cooldan said:
Trouble is, it might only cost a grand to remake a popular older game, but who with access to all the tooling and skills and parts would do it unless they'd make an absolute ****ing killing by selling it for a fortune?
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Therein lies the problem Dan. Everything is priced right at the possible top edge of what they can get away with. You only have to look at the price of Whoa Nelly to see this.
 
Andrew Stockdale said:
Hi Clive. How did you come to the conclusion that it would be fairly expensive ?
I would have thought that with modern production techniques it could be done for a reasonable cost.
Just as a rough guide, let's try Centaur.
These are cost estimates and some of it is out of my area of knowledge.

Playfields have been done recently so it is a matter of routing, inserts, printing and clearcoating. CPR have finished playfields on their sit for as little as $600 retail. Estimate at cost around $400 ?
Plastic sets approx $100.
Cabinet. $600.
Loom and light sockets. $100.
Modern board set. $300.
Wire work. $100.
Playfield mechanisms (flippers, slings, pops, trough). $200.
Displays. $200.

So far we are at about $2000 for parts. I would say the key to keeping the assembly costs down would be to get them assembled in China.

I certainly think it is do-able.
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Hi Andrew

I am pretty sure this is the figure people came up with on pinside. This would be of course done in the US so a crap load of labour costs plus profit margin would push the price up rapidly.

As you said manufacture / assembly in China would lessen the cost. I will be very interested in the new Thunderbirds pinball made by Homepin in China. Even Gary Stern visited the factory! I reckon this factory would be able to do small runs economically and may lend it self to custom pin production in the future depending on how Thunderbirds go. I would dearly like old pins to be done again. Some Gottlieb titles would be good as well as Bally!
 
Agreed. The new pinball factory in China has huuuuge possibilities, plus everything I've read about it so far has been top notch quality and attention to detail. Respect to the dude who set it up, I think we all know why Gary Stern went for a visit!
 
Andrew Stockdale said:
Everything is priced right at the possible top edge of what they can get away with.
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Well, that's a pretty normal business model.

Besides, I'm not sure Stern deserves quite all of the flak they attract. Only last week I came across some article somewhere or other on the web complaining about their 'greed.' There seems to be an impression they could sell their machines for half the price if only they were nice people instead of being a bunch of sharks.

I don't know what their current profits run to, but I do know they nearly went under not so long ago - they needed propping up. I also know other big pinball manufacturers couldn't hack it. They've all left the business or gone bust. It's surely a tough place to be.
 
JWG9999 said:
Well, that's a pretty normal business model.

Besides, I'm not sure Stern deserves quite all of the flak they attract. Only last week I came across some article somewhere or other on the web complaining about their 'greed.' There seems to be an impression they could sell their machines for half the price if only they were nice people instead of being a bunch of sharks.

I don't know what their current profits run to, but I do know they nearly went under not so long ago - they needed propping up. I also know other big pinball manufacturers couldn't hack it. They've all left the business or gone bust. It's surely a tough place to be.
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It is usual business practice but you have to be very careful. They may have created a situation where they cannot sell any more games at that price point. MMr cannot have had sky high development costs because most of the product development is done.
As previously stated, I very much doubt they can sell a Monster Bash or Attack From Mars at the same price point.
 
CliveP said:
Hi Andrew

I am pretty sure this is the figure people came up with on pinside. This would be of course done in the US so a crap load of labour costs plus profit margin would push the price up rapidly.

As you said manufacture / assembly in China would lessen the cost. I will be very interested in the new Thunderbirds pinball made by Homepin in China. Even Gary Stern visited the factory! I reckon this factory would be able to do small runs economically and may lend it self to custom pin production in the future depending on how Thunderbirds go. I would dearly like old pins to be done again. Some Gottlieb titles would be good as well as Bally!
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cooldan said:
Agreed. The new pinball factory in China has huuuuge possibilities, plus everything I've read about it so far has been top notch quality and attention to detail. Respect to the dude who set it up, I think we all know why Gary Stern went for a visit!
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Chinese assembly will be the way forwards. Very difficult for Stern but an opportunity for other manufacturers. If they can assemble iPhones over there I'm sure they can build pinball machines.
 
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