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Looks good. That was one thing that struck me when there is how far away from the strip it currently is... May push me to sort that second Vegas trip. @lukewells
 
they need to sort out the condition of the games; they are all in pretty **** poor state.
 
I visited last month and had a great time there but sadly was rushed as I went with my partner and hes really not into pinball so after about 2 hours i was dragged out of there. I was somewhat disappointed by the condition of the machines as quite a few DMD games that i played had some form of game breaking issue however i fully appreciate that when operating a with a team of volunteers its not going to be easy keeping up with the demand.

The new location looks to be like a much better spot so i really hope that it works out for Tim
 
I visited last month and had a great time there but sadly was rushed as I went with my partner and hes really not into pinball so after about 2 hours i was dragged out of there. I was somewhat disappointed by the condition of the machines as quite a few DMD games that i played had some form of game breaking issue however i fully appreciate that when operating a with a team of volunteers its not going to be easy keeping up with the demand.

The new location looks to be like a much better spot so i really hope that it works out for Tim

Well it’s not just about it being a volunteer effort. Various offers to help fix games as I understand it...


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they need to sort out the condition of the games; they are all in pretty **** poor state.


I would love to see you keep 1/10 of those games going.It must be a monumental task.I know how bad it is keeping 120 odd games going for just one weekend.Plus over the years they have donated shed loads to charity,and,no doubt got shed loads into the hobby.All are good things imo
 
I would love to see you keep 1/10 of those games going.It must be a monumental task.I know how bad it is keeping 120 odd games for just one weekendPlus over the years they have donated shed loads to charity,and,no doubt got she'd loads into the hobby.All are good things imo


Not that hard really starts with taking help that has been offered and help has been offered many times but Tim is a cranky sort who does things his way.

Why don’t you goto the PHOF and tell me what you think of it. All I can think is wow epic collection then oh so many of them don’t work - disappointment- this Pinball place sucks! - if this was my only taste of Pinball I wouldn’t be in a hurry to be on the lookout for more.

If he plans to attract more folks then having games that don’t work in the volume of the ones that don’t work is not an option and won’t be good for Pinball.

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You think its not hard to keep a collection of 100s of games?lmfao you are a joke man. When you have the faintest idea of what you are on about, post back.Know a few people who've been to there and were happy with the place. Re allowing anyone to repair stuff that just isn't practical now is it? You need trusted people to go through stuff
 
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You think its not hard to keep a collection of 100s of games?lmfao you are a joke man. When you have the faintest idea of what you are on about, post back.Know a few people who've been to there and were happy with the place. Re allowing anyone to repair stuff that just isn't practical now is it? You need trusted people to go through stuff

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Well done you can read! When’s the next instalment of Poibug does something that’s hard?

It’s not just easy - it’s so easy even -I-could do it.




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U r being a prick

Come on guys chill out.

Poibug chill, Neil was just expressing his opinion which seems to be confirmed by JReedie. I have been told by multiple people the games are in a **** condition.

So the question is why bother moving if you don’t bring in a bigger support network to maintain the machines.

You have a poor maintained collection of machines, Neil is right people will think pinball is in the passed they no longer work so what’s the point?

We have 20 machines in Tilt and I have help from a lot of people to keep them going... Phil Palmer, Phil Docker, Aid Cooper, Chris, David Hall and myself.
 
they need to sort out the condition of the games; they are all in pretty **** poor state.

All of them? I was there a few years back and never noticed that at all..... Maybe maintenance has slacked off recently then, although I did play Pinball Circus for a lot of the time I was there, cool machine.

As people vary in the way they 'fix' things, can't blame Tim for keeping control of how things are done, even at the mercy of machines being pulled from operation.
 
when I was there more than half of the games I played had some sort of problem. I was there for a few hours and then got so frustrated by games not working I left. You need a zero tolerance policy on it because if you fall behind it will be come very hard to recover.

Tim can do what he wants but if wants to be remembered for a legendary pinball place he is going the wrong way about it (look at discussion about this topic elsewhere, same things being said about machine quality). Its not hard to get people onboard to do this especially in Las Vegas were there are lots of machine techs already, give them training and build the right capability. Like I said, its so easy anyone could do it.
 
when I was there more than half of the games I played had some sort of problem. I was there for a few hours and then got so frustrated by games not working I left. You need a zero tolerance policy on it because if you fall behind it will be come very hard to recover.

Tim can do what he wants but if wants to be remembered for a legendary pinball place he is going the wrong way about it (look at discussion about this topic elsewhere, same things being said about machine quality). Its not hard to get people onboard to do this especially in Las Vegas were there are lots of machine techs already, give them training and build the right capability. Like I said, its so easy anyone could do it.

Unless you manage people it’s hard to grasp you recruit to the needs of a business. And I feel this your view point on the matter...

Why have a huge venue if your not willing to have the correct structure in place and expect the credit for a good venue when half you machines don’t work as intended.

We find it hard enough at Tilt but generally 99% our machines are fixed within a week unless awaiting parts for America
 
Unless you manage people it’s hard to grasp you recruit to the needs of a business. And I feel this your view point on the matter...

Why have a huge venue if your not willing to have the correct structure in place and expect the credit for a good venue when half you machines don’t work as intended.

We find it hard enough at Tilt but generally 99% our machines are fixed within a week unless awaiting parts for America


Cos ya have docker the legend?
 
Maybe we should have a little maintenance comp at pin fest I put several faults on a pin and let’s see who can fix it first lol [emoji23]

The head clown of the electric circus is going to be there so you won’t need to make up any faults!




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Unless you manage people it’s hard to grasp you recruit to the needs of a business. And I feel this your view point on the matter...

Why have a huge venue if your not willing to have the correct structure in place and expect the credit for a good venue when half you machines don’t work as intended.

We find it hard enough at Tilt but generally 99% our machines are fixed within a week unless awaiting parts for America

Precisely - and he has no excuse for parts! PPS are in the same town!


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Well - certainly an interesting thread, and a bit of a shame to see no meeting in the middle.

It's not easy otherwise everyone would do it and there would be literally no market for flipping.
I can also appreciate that while it's hard to give up trust of your possessions to other people that may or may not hold them in sufficient regard to look after them properly, you're making a mistake if you treat it as a permanent collection on display instead of a trading booth (as I expect PHOF doesn't sell their machines on,) and don't keep an eye on how things are holding up.

Saying that anyone could manage that effectively ans easier doesn't have much relation to the physical challenge of keeping the plates spinning at a live show of BYOB pinball machines of mixed qualities - which I'll be honest is a totally different problem. That's the hardest 'technical' trick in pinball to pull off; gotta respond fast, respond and repair positively, and keep it going all day long as the weaker games keep on toppling over. Nothing about that is easy.

Also not sure of the reasoning to make comments like that against someone that's down to bring ten of their own machines to the show. If anything, it's not the most constructive way to get the point across.
 
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Well - certainly an interesting thread, and a bit of a shame to see no meeting in the middle.

It's not easy otherwise everyone would do it and there would be literally no market for flipping.
I can also appreciate that while it's hard to give up trust of your possessions to other people that may or may not hold them in sufficient regard to look after them properly, you're making a mistake if you treat it as a permanent collection on display instead of a trading booth (as I expect PHOF doesn't sell their machines on,) and don't keep an eye on how things are holding up.

Saying that anyone could manage that effectively ans easier doesn't have much relation to the physical challenge of keeping the plates spinning at a live show of BYOB pinball machines of mixed qualities - which I'll be honest is a totally different problem. That's the hardest 'technical' trick in pinball to pull off; gotta respond fast, respond and repair positively, and keep it going all day long as the weaker games keep on toppling over. Nothing about that is easy.

Also not sure of the reasoning to make comments like that against someone that's down to bring ten of their own machines to the show. If anything, it's not the most constructive way to get the point across.

Sadly I think it starts with someone adding 2 and 2 together and getting 9 and a half, being abusive and then realising they ****ed up, changing their post and still getting it wrong; but hey we are all friends right? :) LOL

lets start from my point of view about hard, this is a picture of Shorty Crater on the moon from Apollo XVII - if two guys can drive a convertible car around the moon for a few days then I believe just about anything is possible. this was hard, running a few machines, not so hard.

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In your response I dont understand your first point.

I think the clue is in the title of the place. Its the "Pinball Hall of Fame". Not the pinball hall of shame and the fact he is now asking for peoples money to run this place... oh and did I say, I've been there.

I think you are saying in your next point that running a place called the Pinball Hall of Fame is nothing like running a two day event where everyone brings their own machine in various states of dis-repair and you don't know how bad or good the machines are until the first hour of the show. Absolutely agree and something thats very hard to plan for but not impossible.

However, if you are able to have the right team of folks and a known set of machines - then its very straightforward. Look at Pinburgh as an example - 500+ games and most of from the three early eras including lots of EMs. The whole thing went without a single issue because they are well organised, have the right skills and the right number of people and have backup machines, but the fact that its all of their games makes this a known quantity and therefore manageable.

Running one game is hard if you don't know how to do it or you aren't organised to cope with it going wrong.

well if someone constantly sells games that are claimed to be working perfectly and they are not - they are going to get called out. Why we find it acceptable for some in this community to get away with doing this but not others is frankly ridiculous; "but i'll bring ten machines and buy my way out of my behavriour?"

Regards,
Neil.
 
Bringing up NASA as an example of what is 'hard' in your book and therefore nothing in pinball can be, is one hell of a trivialising way to look at things.

Because if that's how we go then why isn't every event like Pinburgh if it's so easy? Things are allowed to be difficult for simple, logistical and personnel reasons without having them brushed away by comparing them to some of the most audacious (but, admittedly my favourite!) acts of national dickwagging in history. You say it yourself; if you have the right people and the right machines it's easy. What about when you don't?

My final point is a distaste for side swipes, not about letting anyone 'off the hook.' Nobody's buying a machine from the machines being brought, it's about keeping a scene going and improving the events. I'm saying this because being able to play Steve's machines at several Retro Revival and Play Expo events is what brought me into the fold, so I obviously cannot see the negative to it. If there's a For Sale poster on one of the machines then it would be absolutely fair game to tell people there what you feel - same for a sales thread here.

I'll tell you something that's hard - turning the course of misunderstandings (you two were obviously looking at very different angles) before moderators have to edit out swear words and bad blood goes on. Diplomacy (politics if you like) is keeping people off the moon nowadays but I wouldn't call it easy.
 
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If anyone needs slating for show machines, it's me. Mine always go wrong. They're laughed at and ridiculed. As well as me. But hey, I'm not technical and if it needs fixed, I'll pay for it to be fixed. I don't mind being made fun of either :rofl:
Steady on, give me a chance to **** it up first, it's going to be my first one soon!

The lunar landings was all a big hoax anyhow...
I used to be able to not even joke about that until Aldrin punched one of them in the gob, and the police basically shrugged. That just about makes it okay.
 
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yeah a muppet called Bart Sibrel, asshat.

Here is a picture of the earth for you Paul.

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(oh and I've drained this thread bon voyage!)
 
I went and visited in July. I was expecting more to be honest. I had a great fun time but many of the games needed a service, some didn't have rubbers on the flippers!!! There was a Tron LE there that never had a cliffy fitted and the wear on the playfield was utterly horrific. For the money they have paid for the buildings I can't see why they can't buy rubbers, flipper rebuild kits and a cliffy for that Tron LE. Although the cliffy wouldn't cover the wear now, it was absolutely insane.
 
It is a cool place to see Pinball Circus and a few other rare games. Besides the pins along the two rows soon as you walk in the rest of the games are in a pretty poor state with classics like Addams Family with no GI, AFM with the UFO visor not working, WOZ completely bricked, etc. They probably need one or two people doing full game restorations and two people constantly fixing issues on the games full time. Can't see that ever happening!

The pins in the arcade in NYNY on the other hand have always played amazing every time I've been there.
 
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