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How to describe this?
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Isn't that what 'Ghosting' is?
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ohhhh ok. thanks
From the Stern manual:
'Normal plastic insert crazing (tiny stress cracks) and ghosting (small cloudy areas around insert edges) are often seen in pinball machines, due to a combination of plastic mold stress, pushing of inserts into purposely undersized holes, and heating and breaking of inserts’ plastic “skin” when the playfield is sanded.'
'Normal plastic insert crazing (tiny stress cracks) and ghosting (small cloudy areas around insert edges) are often seen in pinball machines, due to a combination of plastic mold stress, pushing of inserts into purposely undersized holes, and heating and breaking of inserts’ plastic “skin” when the playfield is sanded.'
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Thanks for the info. Guess my other question is does it affect value or just one of those accepted things like dimples?
When I sold my Stranger Things I did mention it to the buyer, just for full disclosure and my own peace of mind really. I also quoted the Stern manual as it must be prevalent on enough of their Pins for them to include it.
I don't think it affects value, you'd just prefer it wasn't like that.
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Yeah, I just wanted to make sure I described it accurately as I try to with everything, didn't know if it had a proper name to help, now I know it does!
My Stranger Things also had quite visible wood graining. It wasn't noticeable when it was switched on so not a massive deal but compared to my Turtles (now your Turtles) it was a bit annoying when I first unboxed it.
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Must be a common occurrence if it described in the manual.
Is it on all modern sterns or just certain titles?
Is it on all modern sterns or just certain titles?
Interesting, I thought it was down to incandescent bulb heat on clear decals and that heat slowly breaking the seal. I was under impression newer stuff didn't suffer with this, looks like I was wrong.
I'm sure yours will be fine and not get worse for years, Jib.
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Hmm that doesn’t seem normal to me / will check my game tomorrow
Have seen other games go like this. I wouldnt worry. Just put up decent photos when you sell a game and mention they should see the photos!
Modern clear coat is not the best.
Modern clear coat is not the best.
There's tons of games like this. Ghostbusters was bad for ghosting. I wouldn't worry about it. Some playfields show wood grain, some dimple really easily, some have post pooling. Just a side effect of playfields being made with different batches of wood and clear coat. They all have subtle differences
My ST has none of those issues however I have had the wood grain effect on one of my modern sterns and have seen that very same issue on a few others.
The problem for me is the fact I have slight OCD and things like that get me fixated with the issue to the point it affects my love for the pin!
This all sounds a bit stupid I know and it has absolutely no effect with how the game plays, but there’s a big part of this hobby for me where I find these machines a thing of beauty and often just pop in my gamesroom to look, clean and just tinker away on the little things.
IMO these things just shouldn’t become issues in the first place and I think it’s just poor QC on these high priced luxury‘s.
All this said I have learned to accept the dimple issues as they are inevitable and kinda show how much love a pin is getting however the above do my tits in to the point of moving the pin on.
The problem for me is the fact I have slight OCD and things like that get me fixated with the issue to the point it affects my love for the pin!
This all sounds a bit stupid I know and it has absolutely no effect with how the game plays, but there’s a big part of this hobby for me where I find these machines a thing of beauty and often just pop in my gamesroom to look, clean and just tinker away on the little things.
IMO these things just shouldn’t become issues in the first place and I think it’s just poor QC on these high priced luxury‘s.
All this said I have learned to accept the dimple issues as they are inevitable and kinda show how much love a pin is getting however the above do my tits in to the point of moving the pin on.
Could be down to shrinkage, when new inserts will feel smooth if it’s a good playfield. As time goes by you get some movement and this is when the problem shows up.
Climate in the room can also play a role with causing the wood to expand and shrink.
Then there is Mirco toffee coated playfields!
The clear will cure pretty quick, if it hasn’t cured by the time you got it then that’s how it will stay. It’s down to the hardener they mix in.
I have a new CPR playfield that I have had sitting there for nearly a year in a climate controlled room and I can feel a few inserts have very slightly lowered, a ball rolling across that will probably cause what you are seeing
This why people get them clear coated again after all the settlement.
Climate in the room can also play a role with causing the wood to expand and shrink.
Then there is Mirco toffee coated playfields!
The clear will cure pretty quick, if it hasn’t cured by the time you got it then that’s how it will stay. It’s down to the hardener they mix in.
I have a new CPR playfield that I have had sitting there for nearly a year in a climate controlled room and I can feel a few inserts have very slightly lowered, a ball rolling across that will probably cause what you are seeing
This why people get them clear coated again after all the settlement.
A bit of wood with plastic inserts then printed and clear coated - then smacked around with steel balls is pinball! Bound to be issues.
Wood contracts and expands. Grain will affect it too.
So many variables.
I always say if yoi like mint machines then do not play it
Have a good day all
Wood contracts and expands. Grain will affect it too.
So many variables.
I always say if yoi like mint machines then do not play it
Have a good day all
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the wood grain effect is the new normal unfortunately. Many of my games have it many don't. Even some much older games there is a variance on this.
I would not worry about it fran just enjoy playing it and when you come to sell it mention it when you list it I doubt it will affect the price as it will always be a sort after game
Just a good job it wasn’t a jjp game as Neil would not of been so polite
Just a good job it wasn’t a jjp game as Neil would not of been so polite
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Or any other idiots using mirco playfields!
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Thanks everyone. Good to know it’s not really an issue, just not ideal. I’ll include photos and description when I come to sell and can link to this thread too if needed if someone’s not sure about it.
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