Games room options

[Paul]

Ok so some know i have been doing some work on my garden in preparation for Gamesroom 3.0 (GR1 was at my ex's, GR2 is at my parents, and despite saying i wouldnt do it again a number of times, am looking at GR3). Garden has had a lot of work to improve it, and this will be the icing on top... although my misses likes to call it her "gin bar".... yeh carry on thinking that

I was looking to get a workshop/summerhouse build as before, however with costs of timber at silly levels at the moment, I'm seriously contemplating a more solid structure. As far as i am aware, as long as it rolls in under 30M squared, there's still no building regs needed whatever it is made from.

Anyone done anything sililar recenently to give me ideas of build costs for the bare shell? (Insulation and Electrics etc I can sort myself)
Am looking around 8m x 4m (by the time you take off wall thickness and internal finishings, that should rock in around 30m2)....

Cheers!

 

[Deleted member 2463]

Not sure you'll save much - probably borderline but worth checking.

Building regs also apply if you plan anytime of waterworks/drainage or people to sleep in the place. Other than that none required.

 

[PAX]

Haven't done it but I'd estimate between £500 -700m2.
Lots of variables to consider

 

[Paul]

Not sure you'll save much - probably borderline but worth checking.

Building regs also apply if you plan anytime of waterworks/drainage or people to sleep in the place. Other than that none required.

Thing is, i'm not looking to save anything... However a wooden building will have a shorter fininite lifespan and need yearly maintenance, whereas a brick building would have much less (and in these winds, less chance of flying off too!)....
If i had a choice between paying £5k for something Wooden, or £7k for something solid, it would have to be worth the latter...

 

[mufcmufc]

Thing is, i'm not looking to save anything... However a wooden building will have a shorter fininite lifespan and need yearly maintenance, whereas a brick building would have much less (and in these winds, less chance of flying off too!)....
If i had a choice between paying £5k for something Wooden, or £7k for something solid, it would have to be worth the latter...

I would think anything from 20k upwards would be a good starting point for a brick shell.

 

[Rob zombie]

Saw a few wooden summer houses given away for free on Facebook Marketplace earlier in the year. Might be worth keeping an eye out.

 

[Deleted member 2463]

Thing is, i'm not looking to save anything... However a wooden building will have a shorter fininite lifespan and need yearly maintenance, whereas a brick building would have much less (and in these winds, less chance of flying off too!)....
If i had a choice between paying £5k for something Wooden, or £7k for something solid, it would have to be worth the latter...

yeah in that case go brick. Although not sure you really need to do annual upkeep. My shed has a three year cycle. I'm also super unconvinced that the lifecycle is that much lower. My shed is a different order but look at all the chalets and wood buildings in Europe, they outlast their owners.

 

[Rob zombie]

I've been doing a fair bit of bricklaying this year, mostly learned from YouTube videos, it wouldn't be difficult to do it yourself. Go with breeze blocks and rendering to make it even easier.

 

[marcoos_1]

What about a steel frame kit with insulated steel cladding? Zero maintenance, super warm and erected in a matter of days. I've done several of these and they are superb. You can keep it industrial looking inside, or you can kit it out like a house if you want.

Might be worth considering. If you're half-handy you just get the kit delivered and put it up yourself.

 

[Wintonmartin]

I built one from timber earlier in the year but got in there before the silly prices. It still cost me around 10k for 15mq and me doing all the work.
Knowing what I know now and having the space, I'd have done it proper
If the money isn't too much of a problem, go down building regs route. Make it out of bricks and mortar and even put a toilet/shower in. It'll add value to the property without the need if it having to be pulled down in 20 years

 

[Wintonmartin]

Well I'm hoping I don't have to pull it down in 20 years

Complete - Garden room bar - possibly pin shed

This isn't so much as an on going build but more sharing a current predicament. With a bit of building involved. I converted our garage last year to make a games room. I vowed I would never let it be taken over by the kids. I'd just about got it where I wanted it in terms of paraphernalia and...

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[PAX]

What about a steel frame kit with insulated steel cladding? Zero maintenance, super warm and erected in a matter of days. I've done several of these and they are superb. You can keep it industrial looking inside, or you can kit it out like a house if you want.

Might be worth considering. If you're half-handy you just get the kit delivered and put it up yourself.

Got any other details?

 

[Paul]

Got any other details?

Deffo seconded... need more info please!!

 

[marcoos_1]

Sure, I have put a couple of these up at my place (the last one was a considerable size). You can buy an off the shelf design from a number of suppliers up and down the country, or you can design your own and they will build it and deliver in kit form for you. Last time I used galvanised steel (I never want to paint it) and 40mm insulated sheets on walls and ceilings. Great for heat, no condensation. You can go thicker if you want. They are white on the inside so you don't need to paint anything, and the plastisol coating on the outside can be any colour you want. You can choose pedestrian doors, roller doors or sectional doors along with windows, skylights etc. Defo worth considering if you want a long lasting, maintenance free building. Plus it goes up real quick.

 

[HomerRamone]

have you looked at SIPS panels ?

 

[PAX]

Sure, I have put a couple of these

Can you post a link / web details
Cheers

 

[Paul]

Sure, I have put a couple of these up at my place (the last one was a considerable size). You can buy an off the shelf design from a number of suppliers up and down the country, or you can design your own and they will build it and deliver in kit form for you. Last time I used galvanised steel (I never want to paint it) and 40mm insulated sheets on walls and ceilings. Great for heat, no condensation. You can go thicker if you want. They are white on the inside so you don't need to paint anything, and the plastisol coating on the outside can be any colour you want. You can choose pedestrian doors, roller doors or sectional doors along with windows, skylights etc. Defo worth considering if you want a long lasting, maintenance free building. Plus it goes up real quick.

any suggested websites please?? am struggling to get what they look like during build and once completed

If they look like a storage container then i fully expect the misses to tell me to run and jump off a short bridge...

 

[Jagspete]

Lorry box containers made out of GRP/plywood with fibre glass roofs, they’re solid, weather proof and start at 20ft by about 8’6, need hijab/ crane access , start at £800 for tidy ones plus about 300 delivery. You can cut doorways/windows and clad them with feather edge if you want to look like a shed.

 

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[marcoos_1]

Theres loads of options - they dont need to look like containers! They can now be clad in wood effect and even with panels which allow you to render them similar to your house if thats what you wanted. I had my frames built by a local company and I bought the steel cladding direct (to save a mark-up) from a company called Steadmans (https://www.steadmans.co.uk) . They have UK coverage and will deliver anywhere if you want to go down that route.

Ive had a quick look around and here are some pics of the type of thing I was describing. There are lots of companies that will do you a kit - where literally it will bolt together in a couple of days if you have a couple of mates and a base already prepared (they will advise on that).

Try this guy - based in Kent. Seems to be doing some decent looking stuff. I have only spoken to him briefly but he will supply a kit or do the build apparently. His name is Tony, 07760662676. Might be worth a call. He sent me these pics of stuff he is doing now and his website is http://topsteelbuildings.co.uk/. Ive never dealt with him so usual rules apply to make sure he is on the level (excuse the pun!)

Also, if you google "steel framed workshop" and hit "images" then you will get pics of plenty of different options and suppliers. What sort of size were you guys thinking about?

Mark.

 

[PAX]

^ IMO they are a great idea. Wouldn't ever consider rendering a structure like that though unless it was lime render and even that may not handle the movement

 

[octamus]

Depends if you no any brickies I do a lot of site work and the company on my site at the moment are charging me 3.5k labour charge to put a new floor on top of my bungalow i think it’s working out to be about 7 to 8 k including materials and that’s 35 x 30m

 

[JMP]

have you looked at SIPS panels ?

SIPS panels usually have PUR/PIR foam insulation within them (combustible) so be prepared for insurance issues if you have to disclose the construction. Otherwise check they're fire approved. I can find you the LPCB reference for fire approval if need it.

Paul, l used rendered single block on my old outbuilding games room at previous house. Exactly under 30 sqm like yours (to avoid building regs.) and no issues with boundary proximity if built of non-combustible materials. Just watch your height, I was slightly over at apex of pitched roof when bitch neighbour reported it, but they let me off as minimal. Think it's 2.5m max height from memory, flat/single pitch roof probably better.

To keep costs down (think mine came in under £12K in the end) I used single block then an internal timber framework stepped off the block by 50mm faced with plasterboard to walls and ceiling. Insulated with mineral wool cavity batts. Used foil-faced PIR insulation to roof (within trusses above flat ceiling) as better insulation properties. Profile metal sheeting with felt underlining for roof (felt avoids condensation). Floor was insulated timber frame overlaid with chipboard loft panels and carpet tiles. Double UPVC doors and two UPVC windows.

Get builder to do the outside, do the inside yourself, wiring etc. and you'll save £'s. One thing to bear in mind is when my bitch neighbour reported it to Local Authority and they inspected, the only thing they wanted was Part P certificate for the electrical work. Fortunately a mate of a mate did this for me.

 

[HomerRamone]

SIPS panels usually have PUR/PIR foam insulation within them (combustible) so be prepared for insurance issues if you have to disclose the construction. Otherwise check they're fire approved. I can find you the LPCB reference for fire approval if need it.

All the research I've done WRT to sips suggests they more than meet any relevant fire regulations. (Assuming the panels conform to the relevant standard of course). I'm not going to profess to be an expert on them but I have looked into this myself as I'm looking into having an extension built.

 

[JMP]

All the research I've done WRT to sips suggests they more than meet any relevant fire regulations. (Assuming the panels conform to the relevant standard of course). I'm not going to profess to be an expert on them but I have looked into this myself as I'm looking into having an extension built.

Yeah, just check they have LPCB approval as the early ones were polyurethane. What passes building regs. can be quite different to what your insurers look for when treating things as combustible or not.